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Haven't been on the site for a while so maybe this isn't news to the rest of you. Been working on plant shut downs 7 days a week since Jan 2nd. Off today for storm.
Just got an ad from Square D that they now offer combination AFCI / GFCI circuit breakers. Anyone use these yet?
 

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No, but we have all been waiting for them for years!

TWICE THE PROBLEMS packed in to one breaker! AWESOME!

They would come in handy for those kitchen/dining room combined circuits....I guess.
Twice the problems? are you referring to the early AFCIs that clearly were not as advanced as the sales pitch we got?
Current AFCI breakers are almost completely free of these issues and most reported problems have been traced to wiring faults or damage casued to wires after installation.
GFCI breakers are even more reliable but maybe a combination product will be a new set of failures?

We will see.
 

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Most brands of afci already have gfci in them but not enough to protect people (30ma) whereas these new one will have 5 ma gfci.
 

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A Homeline GFCI breaker costs about $55 and an AFCI costs about $35. I'm going to split the difference and guess this new combo breaker will cost around $45. Let's see how I do once they come out.
 

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A Homeline GFCI breaker costs about $55 and an AFCI costs about $35. I'm going to split the difference and guess this new combo breaker will cost around $45. Let's see how I do once they come out.
Why would they sell this new GFCI breaker (now with added AFCI protection) for less than their stand-alone GFCI breaker?
 

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my Home Repot lists a QO GFCI at $65.97

I don't have a Sq D distributor that I buy from regularly so Im sure I would pay around the same price

Don't see the new breakers being cheaper but we will have to wait and see
If they cost more, I will eat my hat. When you think about it, they only have to incorporate GFCI protection into the circuitry which already exists in the AFCI. An AFCI has all the same components that a GFCI does, plus a few more mysterious things. But more than likely you're correct and they will be that expensive.
 

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The lates word is: $5 more than their combo AFCI's


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