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Keep in mind utility economics is pretty screwed up. So nobody wants multiple power lines running around so the government only allows one utility at least as far as distribution. In Southern States it’s generation and distribution. There are some private generators but it’s pretty awful. Most don’t survive long term,

Now as multiples have said nobody wants the utility to make a “profit”. Realistically I’ll say “excess” profit. So most are limited to around say 8%. So the way it works is they all have various rate schedules which a public utility board agrees to. These are all public documents. It’s very easy to find them and very important to understand them in many states. But the fact is that those public utility boards and various public advocacy groups monitor the utility profit along with the shareholders. So no matter what the utility is only going to make a cettain percentage.

So given this environment and the fact that a for profit utility is supposed to make money for shareholders and the expectation is that profits increase over time there really is only two ways to do it. The first is get more customers. Unless you are on the generation side and inside of a very progressive grid like PJM though other than population growth it’s simply not possibly to grow the customer base. So that means you increase costs and then demand rate increases. So if the government wants to kill nuclear and coal, the #1 and still #2 cheapest fuel sources and “twist your arm” to use more costly gas, solar, and wind, why you happily oblige. Similarly you do every crazy insane safety policy, grossly increase wages and benefits, and stretch out every construction project to make everything as expensive as possible. Utilities don’t have a great safety record but they are experts in pencil whipping and creating massive pointless procedures. This is all because the system naturally encourages them to be as inefficient as possible. Changing to a publicly owned entity is no better. All the not for profits and municipal run utilities are just as bad, if you want cheap power somehow competition has to be introduced. Making generation profitable and allowing customers to choose their generator is one way. By the way, most of Texas used to be powered by Luminant/Texas Utility mostly using lignite in some very clever and low cost systems. They started subsidizing wind and solar which shut down the lignite power plants and the result is huge reliability problems.
 

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For profit hospitals are infinitely worse.
Mam oh man you're on a roll! Against for profit utilities, want health care as a right...

Ummmm...






Soooooo... . . . . . . what are you wearing? :p
 
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For profit hospitals are infinitely worse.
Are you saying that based on

1) factual data
2) your own experience with both
3) because it aligns with how you think things should be

Number 3, the ideological argument, is typical of well intentioned but clueless Bernie Sanders supporters and other socialists.
 

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Are you saying that based on

1) factual data
2) your own experience with both
3) because it aligns with how you think things should be

Number 3, the ideological argument, is typical of well intentioned but clueless Bernie Sanders supporters and other socialists.
If you take anything from my posts, I hope it's that I never state anything not backed up by studies or statistics.

"nonprofit hospitals . . . charge lower rates than for-profit hospitals for almost all medical procedures . . . lower-cost care does not come with a corresponding drop in quality level. Statistics show that despite charging more, for-profit hospitals perform worse than nonprofit hospitals when it comes to treating common illnesses, and, consequentially, have higher death rates."
 

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If you take anything from my posts, I hope it's that I never state anything not backed up by studies or statistics.

"nonprofit hospitals . . . charge lower rates than for-profit hospitals for almost all medical procedures . . . lower-cost care does not come with a corresponding drop in quality level. Statistics show that despite charging more, for-profit hospitals perform worse than nonprofit hospitals when it comes to treating common illnesses, and, consequentially, have higher death rates."
You never back up anything with studies or statistics.

you https://www.electriciantalk.com/thr...ssion-from-our-us-friends.290992/post-5500383
my response https://www.electriciantalk.com/thr...ssion-from-our-us-friends.290992/post-5500661

you https://www.electriciantalk.com/threads/covid-masks-vaccination.291182/post-5500381
my response https://www.electriciantalk.com/threads/covid-masks-vaccination.291182/post-5500658

I won't bother searching for it, a few days I pressed you for numbers on per capita deaths per day in China, Japan, South Korea, and Singapore, and got some wise ass personal injury lawyer non-response, not something with numbers or statistics or studies.
 

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You never back up anything with studies or statistics.
Happy to.

The statement you said is wrong is "You do not need an ID to get vaccinated."

I am not going to post all 50 states, but here are the first three states that show up in a Google search:

Happy to.

Never heard of that before. Apparently it's fake: Schedule of ‘planned COVID-19 variants’ is fake | AP News
Happy to.

Never heard of that before. Apparently it's fake: Schedule of ‘planned COVID-19 variants’ is fake | AP News
Hospitals are not filling up with vaccinated people. We've already established that.

80% of COVID patients in US hospitals are unvaccinated. 70% of COVID patients in Toronto hospitals are unvaccinated.


If everyone had been vaccinated before Omicron, there would be no Omicron.
Happy to.

Never heard of that before. Apparently it's fake: Schedule of ‘planned COVID-19 variants’ is fake | AP News
Hospitals are not filling up with vaccinated people. We've already established that.

80% of COVID patients in US hospitals are unvaccinated. 70% of COVID patients in Toronto hospitals are unvaccinated.


If everyone had been vaccinated before Omicron, there would be no Omicron.
That article is specifically speaking about a small province with ~500 people hospitalized, and very very high vaccination rate. Let's look at numbers in myriad other larger areas:

The statement you said is wrong is "You do not need an ID to get vaccinated."

I am not going to post all 50 states, but here are the first three states that show up in a Google search:

They do:


And the hospitals themselves are bearing the brunt of the cost.




You did? I must have missed it.
Just a few examples of posts where I have backed up my statements with sources. I did not include the many posts where I cited verifiable statistics but without a link.
 

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so you want the govmt to be in charge of all of that ?
YES!, Just like the other G7 countries, and all of the countries with a high quality of life.
Hopefully, the next generation will get this done. We are way overdue, If so tired of people trying to defend how we are getting ripped off.
 

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The thing is that they’ve been doing this for awhile and the public I’m guessing largely buys into it. There has to be a balance of wages paid to those in the health care system, benefits paid to the public and taxes paid by the public. It takes time to get to that point. I don’t like being told what I can charge, being paid etc. Its a different product than I sell and it has moral and philosophical ramifications associated with it. We have to as a society make the choice to go to this and the will to make it work.
 
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