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arc fault for washer ?

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dronai
The inspector just wrote us up saying that the laundry washer needs to be an arc fault breaker, is that code ?
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99cents
Dunno if it's code but if a vacuum cleaner trips an AFCI breaker then a washing machine certainly can.
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M
Are you on the 2014 yet?
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FlyingSparks
Where is the washer located? Laundry room isn't under 210.12(A) in the 2011 edition of the NEC.
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M
I dreaded this day would come. :(
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dronai
MTW said:
Are you on the 2014 yet?
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I thought 2011
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480sparky
dronai said:
I thought 2011
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You don't know?
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theJcK
NEC 2014 states:

210.12 Arc-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection. Arcfault circuit-interrupter protection shall be provided as required in 210.12(A) (B), and (C). The arc-fault circuit interrupter shall be installed in a readily accessible location.
(A) Dwelling Units. All 120-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-ampere branch circuits supplying outlets or devices installed in dwelling unit kitchens, family rooms, dining rooms, living rooms, parlors, libraries, dens, bedrooms, sunrooms, recreation rooms, closets, hallways, laundry areas,
or similar rooms or areas shall be protected by any of the means described in 210.12(A)(1) through (6).
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theJcK said:
NEC 2014 states:

210.12 Arc-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection. Arcfault circuit-interrupter protection shall be provided as required in 210.12(A) (B), and (C). The arc-fault circuit interrupter shall be installed in a readily accessible location.
(A) Dwelling Units. All 120-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-ampere branch circuits supplying outlets or devices installed in dwelling unit kitchens, family rooms, dining rooms, living rooms, parlors, libraries, dens, bedrooms, sunrooms, recreation rooms, closets, hallways, laundry areas,
or similar rooms or areas shall be protected by any of the means described in 210.12(A)(1) through (6).
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It takes a lot of hookers to get a rule like that one passed.
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99cents said:
It takes a lot of hookers to get a rule like that one passed.
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dont forget Vegas and the blow!
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99cents said:
It takes a lot of hookers to get a rule like that one passed.
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If you look at the guys making all the arc fault proposal they work for major companies. Guys on the CMP are even affiliated with them.


Is it any better in Canada?
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joe cool
CA is still under 2011.
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meadow said:
If you look at the guys making all the arc fault proposal they work for major companies. Guys on the CMP are even affiliated with them.


Is it any better in Canada?
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It is for now because we only have to AFCI protect bedroom receptacles. But Canada has hookers too :( .
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dronai
480sparky said:
You don't know?
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Every city is different. Besides that I'm working for industrial contractor and I have an employee doing the residential stuff
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joe cool
dronai said:
Every city is different. Besides that I'm working for industrial contractor and I have an employee doing the residential stuff
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Cities might have some local regulations but the whole state is under the 2013 California Electrical Code which is based on 2011 NEC and your inspector needs to read upon it. Definitely no AFCI requirement for laundry circuit. 210.12(A) Rip him a new one...
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dronai
joe cool said:
Cities might have some local regulations but the whole state is under the 2013 California Electrical Code which is based on 2011 NEC and your inspector needs to read upon it. Definitely no AFCI requirement for laundry circuit. 210.12(A) Rip him a new one...
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Thanks, This city has a few of there own local codes :( but the problem is that I am working in a plant starting at 6:00 am, and have no time !! My employee is frazzled, and the multi unit apartment owner is pushing as typical :laughing:
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Dennis Alwon
What room is the washer in? If it is in a bedroom then yes it needs afci but if it is in a laundry room then No it does not however not all inspectors see it that way.
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FlyingSparks
dronai said:
Thanks, This city has a few of there own local codes :( but the problem is that I am working in a plant starting at 6:00 am, and have no time !! My employee is frazzled, and the multi unit apartment owner is pushing as typical :laughing:
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Then you lost this one. Install the AFCI and move on!
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Dennis Alwon said:
What room is the washer in? If it is in a bedroom then yes it needs afci but if it is in a laundry room then No it does not however not all inspectors see it that way.
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Hall closet converted into a new laundry room. Plumbing already signed off.
Times 2 apartments, and eventually more.
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FlyingSparks
dronai said:
Hall closet converted into a new laundry room. Plumbing already signed off.
Times 2 apartments, and eventually more.
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Closets require AFCI protection.
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