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Robert W. warned about this a few weeks ago, but I didn't inquire. The state bill troubles me, so I read it. I don't understand how (if it was passed) it would effect me. Can you boil it down?
 

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Martin Niemöller (1892—1984), Protestant pastor and social activist

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestierte.


Translation: When the Nazis came…
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

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We have wanted uniform licensure in Pennsylvania since before thirty five years ago when I started in the trade.
These bills are not intended to promote the public interest.
They are promulgated by big labor, which acts as if it were the ordained Fourth Estate of Government.
Tyranny is tyranny ...
 

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Remember 1776. You could have another revolution. In house this time. At least we only wanted to tax you for tea. Vested interests want your shirt and livelyhood too.


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There is supposed to be a rally on March 12 in Philadelphia because Juan Ramos is set to propose this bull, er I mean Bill, to City Council again.
The reason I know this is Union crap is that the City doesn't even enforce the EXISTING regulations against unlicensed jacklegs [and I don't just mean guys without electrical licenses, I mean guys who can't wash a car] .... and so they need to make more stringent rules?
 

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Received this in an email today from EC&M newsletter.

Philadelphia Licensing Bill Tabled
The bill requiring Philadelphia electricians and telecom workers to complete several years of study and apprenticeship has been put off indefinitely. Councilman Juan Ramos, who introduced the legislation in December, said he tabled the bill because "the issue is very complex, highly technical, and, I think, requires more work and further input." The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 98 had supported the bill, saying it would potentially reduce the number of fires in the city. Critics of the bill argued that a licensing requirement would give an unfair advantage to union workers and reduce job opportunities for independent contractors in the city.
 

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What are the current Philadelphia licensing requirements?

These are the requirements for Maine state licensing.
Journeyman:
  • 8,000 documented hours in field
  • 576 hours of state approved electrical study(or tech school degree and 4,000 field hours)
  • 15 hours code update every three years
  • criminal backround check
Master:
  • 12,000 documented hours in field
  • 576 hours approved electrical study
  • 15 hours code update every three years
  • criminal backround check
I moved back to Maine after 25 years away. I had a journeymans and contractors license in New Mexico and had held a Arizona, Colorado and Wyoming masters. Maine was not impressed. They denied my request to be allowed to take the exam based on my nearly 40,000 hours of fieldwork, and since they have no receporcality agreements with NM, I was required to take the 576 hours of school to be able to sit for the exam. While I was (and am) peeved to have had to go through the time and expense ($2,300.00) to take the schooling, I still prefer that to living in a state that does not have licensing requirements at all. In Penn. how does work get inspected outside of municipalites? Is there some sort of state permitting procedure required for new construction? Are there many electrical safety issues due to poor workmanship?
 

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In Penn. how does work get inspected outside of municipalites? Is there some sort of state permitting procedure required for new construction?
Yes.

Are there many electrical safety issues due to poor workmanship?
Yes, there certainly has been in the past. Municipalities and townships that don't have their own inspector us an inspection agency; somtimes several. They're private companies that contract to do inspections for towns who don't have their own.

Speaking of workmanship, this photo came from Harrisburg, PA... our captial city:


Photo courtesy of Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant
 

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Marc:

Some of the nastiest wiring and NEC violations were at the old District Building that housed code enforcement on 6th & HSt NW Washington, DC.
 

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Yes.
Municipalities and townships that don't have their own inspector us an inspection agency; somtimes several. They're private companies that contract to do inspections for towns who don't have their own.
Are all jobs inspected, or just commercial and industrial? Around here, residental construction is only inspected if the homeowner is doing the work themselves, there is an issue or complaint with the job, or in some of the larger towns that have thier own inspection requirements. Lots of homeowners say they are doing the work, and then get an unlicensed electrician to wire the house for half of what a real contractor (even a one man shop like me) can do it for, and as long as the service passes inspection or they can just get a master to sign off on it, they are all set. There are very few state inspectors, and they have to cover a lot of territory, so people get away with a lot. IMHO, more state or even private inspectors would help a lot.
 

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More on the pictures

Yes.

Yes, there certainly has been in the past. Municipalities and townships that don't have their own inspector us an inspection agency; somtimes several. They're private companies that contract to do inspections for towns who don't have their own.

Speaking of workmanship, this photo came from Harrisburg, PA... our captial city:


Photo courtesy of Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant
Here's another view to the left:
 

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Here's another view to the left:
I don't suppose you know about where this building was, do you? I'd be curious to visit it, to see what it looks like a couple years later now.
 

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It is near the Amtrak Station downtown, you'll see some old pull down fire escapes in the wide open space in between the brick buildings.
Yes, I've got that area clearly fixed in my head. Sort of an industrial few blocks surrounding the train station there. I'm going to make it a point to try to find that building in the next couple weeks and take some more pictures.
 

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years ago long before i became an electrician my old local pressured the state to require all electricians be liscenced. and they stipulated similar requirements to this PA bill. for a few years the union had the market to them selfs almost. the problem the non union had was there was non school out side the union. the state trying to be fair said if you work an extra 4000 hours you can take the state exam. soon the local technical colleges started offering apprenticship classes. and instead of these classes being taught by wireman they are learning thier theory from engineers and college professors. now the non union courses are everybit as good at the union program and the union who thought they had the market to them selfs is struggeling in comparison
 
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