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There are no pig tails on the AFCI breakers, they plug onto the neutral. Cleaner and faster install. Breakers cost more, $57 instead of $53.
well worth it for the amount of time you spend getting all the pigtails to a spot on the bar though
 

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There are no pig tails on the AFCI breakers, they plug onto the neutral. Cleaner and faster install. Breakers cost more, $57 instead of $53.
Why don't you use QO 54 space w/po option. Breakers are cheaper too.
 

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60 ckt QO ordered yesterday. And it will be sideways.
The NEC has a requirement that won't allow a breaker handle to be down in the on position. So a sideways mounted panel would only be allowed to use the bottom spaces because any breaker on the top would have the handle down in the on position and that would be a code violation.

Does the Canadian code not have that requirement?
 

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The NEC has a requirement that won't allow a breaker handle to be down in the on position. So a sideways mounted panel would only be allowed to use the bottom spaces because any breaker on the top would have the handle down in the on position and that would be a code violation.

Does the Canadian code not have that requirement?
Nope and it drives you guys bonkers :) .

This comes from Square D, for example:

"CSA approved for vertical, horizontal or inverted mounting and suitable for Al/Cu conductors"
 

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There is a practical reason for it. Canadian panels, as far as I know, are different than yours'. The main breaker area is barriered. It makes an 80 circuit panel very long. With the main breaker at eye height, the lowest breaker is down at your knees. If the panel is mounted horizontally, all the breakers are at eye height. Highest breaker according to code should be at 5'6" (I did the metric conversion for you).
 

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I'm not a fan of QO, and you can use the pig tail breakers if you want.
QO plug-on and pigtail AFCI's are the same price. Considerably cheaper than you're paying for CH.
 

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Highest breaker according to code should be at 5'6" (I did the metric conversion for you).
Why? Are you guys vertically challenged?:jester:
 

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There is a practical reason for it. Canadian panels, as far as I know, are different than yours'. The main breaker area is barriered. It makes an 80 circuit panel very long. With the main breaker at eye height, the lowest breaker is down at your knees. If the panel is mounted horizontally, all the breakers are at eye height. Highest breaker according to code should be at 5'6" (I did the metric conversion for you).
Is it also correct that you cannot pass the branch circuit conductors through the main breaker area if that breaker is the service disconnect?

As far as the 5'6, are you guys shorter than us?...our maximum height to the center of the breaker handle is 2 meters, it was 6'6" before we added the metric measurements.
 

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Is it also correct that you cannot pass the branch circuit conductors through the main breaker area if that breaker is the service disconnect?

As far as the 5'6, are you guys shorter than us?...our maximum height to the center of the breaker handle is 2 meters, it was 6'6" before we added the metric measurements.
A 60 circuit panel installed recessed would be an interesting picture.
 
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