[Black Dog]

9'x4'x5' deep with rebar.

They contractor ran #6 to the rebar to a ground rod, my opinion is this ground wire must be connected to the service ground, they are saying no:blink:

I've got a call in to the inspector, what do the ET inspectors have to say?

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Permitted by 250.64(F)(1). Note that depending on the size of the service, the #6 to the concrete encased electrode may be too small.

 

[electricmanscott]

Bonding a footing or establishing a grounding electrode? One in the same I guess. If the footing meets requirements for an electrode it must be used. It's a grounding electrode system so all the usual rules apply just as if it were a water pipe electrode. No supplemental (rods) required though which is a bonus.

 

[Black Dog]

Bonding a footing or establishing a grounding electrode? One in the same I guess. If the footing meets requirements for an electrode it must be used. It's a grounding electrode system so all the usual rules apply just as if it were a water pipe electrode. No supplemental (rods) required though which is a bonus.

Yes that is, since this in waltham :laughing:

Ledge and rocks, it's a real mother driving rods here even with a big drill an rod cup.

 

[electricmanscott]

Yes that is, since this in waltham :laughing:

Ledge and rocks, it's a real mother driving rods here even with a big drill an rod cup.

I know it too well. :laughing:

Decent inspectors there at least. :thumbsup:

 

[Black Dog]

Permitted by 250.64(F)(1). Note that depending on the size of the service, the #6 to the concrete encased electrode may be too small.

Thanks Don so I'll be needing # 4 copper, it is a 200 amp service.:thumbsup:

 

[Black Dog]

I know it too well. :laughing:

Decent inspectors there at least. :thumbsup:

He's coming out to look in the morning to see this master piece these guys built:laughing:

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Thanks Don so I'll be needing # 4 copper, it is a 200 amp service.:thumbsup:

Connecting the concrete encased bonding conductor to the ground rod will also trigger the requirement for a GEC sized on T250.66 between the ground rod and the service equipment.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Thanks Don so I'll be needing # 4 copper, it is a 200 amp service.:thumbsup:

That's correct. #4 is the max one needs but you still have to use 250.66 as Don stated.

For instance a #4 to the concrete encased electrode is all that is needed for a 1000 amp service also.

 

[Black Dog]

That's correct. #4 is the max one needs but you still have to use 250.66 as Don stated.

For instance a #4 to the concrete encased electrode is all that is needed for a 1000 amp service also.

Yes I will need that for the water main too, that is going to be all copper.

 

[Phatstax]

To be clear, are you planning on running the #4 solid copper from the ground rod to the footing rebar, and then unbroken, back to your main panel on the structure to be bonded at the same bar that will have another unbroken #4 to the cold water bond? Just trying to visualize what you are talking about.

 

[Jhellwig]

If I recall you have to bond all available grounding electrodes together now correct? And by having more than one a #6 is more than likely to small.

 

[Bootss]

are you going to run stranded or solid when I run s SOlid and I can't seem to get the kinks out very well

 

[Phatstax]

Lep- when I first started reading this thread i thought it was for a commercial structure. Once I read 200 amp service I assumed it was a footing for a pier and beam residence. Around here the #4 GEC would be required to be solid. If it were a UFFER ground it would be allowed to be stranded in #2 minimum. I brought up the solid #4 and quite possibly may have assumed too much. Apologies if I made things more confusing...

 

[T&K]

Don't forget to use a listed concrete encased ground clamp. The kind with the white tag on it.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Don't forget to use a listed concrete encased ground clamp. The kind with the white tag on it.

Any grounding clamp rated for direct burial is also rated for concrete encasement.
From the UL Guide Information for Grounding and Bonding Equipment (KDER)

Ground clamps and other connectors suitable for use where buried in earth or embedded in concrete are marked for such use. The marking may be abbreviated "DB" (for "Direct Burial").

 

[Black Dog]

To be clear, are you planning on running the #4 solid copper from the ground rod to the footing rebar, and then unbroken, back to your main panel on the structure to be bonded at the same bar that will have another unbroken #4 to the cold water bond? Just trying to visualize what you are talking about.

I do not think they make # 4 solid, I have not seen anything larger than # 8 solid.

The inspector won't call for that I'm sure, however he will be there at 0900 and give me his opinion, so who knows.

But The article Don pointed out leads you all over Article 250 and you end up at the table 250.66.

Because of the fact it is a 200 amp service #4 copper will be required for the grounding system, the ground rod will not be needed.

 

[Bootss]

you have a picture of the connector you use to attach tO the rebar

 

[T&K]

I do not think they make # 4 solid, I have not seen anything larger than # 8 solid.
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I use #4 or #6 solid on every service I build.

 

[chicken steve]

I'm drawing a blank ....where, other than the MBJ / intersystem block , would this be brought?

~CS~