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on the application day? The application day is tomorrow, July 2nd. The form I have says that drug screening will happen preceding placement.

So it sounds like they don't drug screen until after the application day, and after the interview process. Not until the point where they are ready to actually hire you. I literally need like 5 or 6 more days before I'm completely clean.

I hope they don't screen tomorrow.
 

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Dude it costs money to drug test, they aren't going to waste money on people they don't even want in the first place. 2/3rds of those applications will go straight into the shredder.

It will come later. keep sucking back the gatoraid.
 

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on the application day? The application day is tomorrow, July 2nd. The form I have says that drug screening will happen preceding placement.

So it sounds like they don't drug screen until after the application day, and after the interview process. Not until the point where they are ready to actually hire you. I literally need like 5 or 6 more days before I'm completely clean.

I hope they don't screen tomorrow.
Here's a tip, if you're doing drugs, you are not welcome in the electrical trade, we don't need drug freaks dragging down our profession.
 

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on the application day? The application day is tomorrow, July 2nd. The form I have says that drug screening will happen preceding placement.

So it sounds like they don't drug screen until after the application day, and after the interview process. Not until the point where they are ready to actually hire you. I literally need like 5 or 6 more days before I'm completely clean.

I hope they don't screen tomorrow.
Should have thought about that six days ago, dude.
 

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Here's a tip, if you're doing drugs, you are not welcome in the electrical trade, we don't need drug freaks dragging down our profession.
I don't consider tree a drug. It's an herb. Anything that grows naturally and only requires drying is cool in my book but do it on your free time.

If you have to process something way down and/or use tons of chemicals, that's a drug.

Plus everyone knows alcohol is the a terrible drug that destroys many a men, families, cars, and people leave beer cans all over.
 

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I don't consider tree a drug. It's an herb. Anything that grows naturally and only requires drying is cool in my book but do it on your free time.

If you have to process something way down and/or use tons of chemicals, that's a drug.

Plus everyone knows alcohol is the a terrible drug that destroys many a men, families, cars, and people leave beer cans all over.
everything you ingest is a drug. many highly potent drugs are readily available in plants. do your homework. Your argument holds no water - it is just your way of rationalizing taking drugs. accept it for what it is, at least then you will know yourself.
 
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I don't consider tree a drug. It's an herb. Anything that grows naturally and only requires drying is cool in my book but do it on your free time.

If you have to process something way down and/or use tons of chemicals, that's a drug.

Plus everyone knows alcohol is the a terrible drug that destroys many a men, families, cars, and people leave beer cans all over.
Nothing like an ice cold hemlock tea at the end of the day...

Seriously, I don't give a rat's a$$ if a guy smokes weed or not but, if it's a choice between career and weed, it should be obvious.

Comparisons between alcohol and mary jane are ridiculous. In excess, they're both bad.

What bugs me about someone asking this question is that he should have thought about this before now. If I am hiring a guy, I need someone who thinks and thinks ahead. That is a basic requirement in this trade.
 

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...What bugs me about someone asking this question is that he should have thought about this before now. If I am hiring a guy, I need someone who thinks and thinks ahead. That is a basic requirement in this trade.
That I agree with. But that has been my argument about recreational drug use all along:

People who are innately responsible, will do it responsibly and it will not impact their work or family life.

People who are innately irresponsible, will allow their recreational use, and a lot of other stuff, to negatively impact their work and family life.

The drug use is often a symptom, not the root cause.
 

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That I agree with. But that has been my argument about recreational drug use all along:

People who are innately responsible, will do it responsibly and it will not impact their work or family life.

People who are innately irresponsible, will allow their recreational use, and a lot of other stuff, to negatively impact their work and family life.

The drug use is often a symptom, not the root cause.
I'm late because I had to drive my girlfriend to work.
I didn't show up yesterday because my car wouldn't start.
I didn't get your message because my phone got cut off.
I can't work because I failed my pee test.

Sound familiar?
 

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Exactly.

I mentioned this in another thread about substance abuse, but their was a the head of a drug treatment program on the radio who was talking about how the vast majority of people he sees with substance abuse problems have them because of a serious genetic predisposition to addiction (in which case that person can become addicted to damn near everything) or else because the person was looking for any sort of crutch to help them cope with their problems, and found it in drugs.

The stories of people trying cocaine and ending up homeless a month later because of the terrible power of cocaine addiction are seriously overblown and oversimplified. Generally speaking, the danger is the person, not the drug.
 

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We do pre employment, injury related, and random drug testing for illegal substances, this includes field people, office personnel ,and company officers, so it's even across the board.

Now a question for thought.

If an employee takes a vacation to an area where pot is legal and decides to huff a little weed and upon returning to work comes up for random testing, can the company do anything to this employee?
 

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We do pre employment, injury related, and random drug testing for illegal substances, this includes field people, office personnel ,and company officers, so it's even across the board.

Now a question for thought.

If an employee takes a vacation to an area where pot is legal and decides to huff a little weed and upon returning to work comes up for random testing, can the company do anything to this employee?
Doesn't matter if you accept a pee test as a condition of employment. I'm sure they have pee tests where pot is legal.

The only rule bender might be prescription pot (glaucoma).
 

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Doesn't matter if you accept a pee test as a condition of employment. I'm sure they have pee tests where pot is legal.

The only rule bender might be prescription pot (glaucoma).
I don't agree, the tests are for illegal substances.

So let's look at it a different way, you are saying a company would have the right to terminate or reprimand you for being involved with illegal activities or breaking the law.
 

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opinion of whether or not pot is the same as, worse, or better than drinking alcohol is irrelevant. One is illegal in most places, one is not. I personally believe marijuana is no more dangerous than alcohol, but until the law changes I have no right to exercise that opinion without fear of consequences, and I do not. Drug test could be called "responsibility and self control test". Two qualities that are important to an employer.
 

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oh man, not this high almighty I don't do drugs grandfather rant again.

Seriously, the kid said he's stopped, he just needs more time for it to be out of his system before being tested.

He's obviously picked career over drugs, so relax your granddad pants and sit back down.. trying to make an issue out of nothing. It's like getting angry about your daughter telling you when she's 40 and married with kids, that when she was in her 20's, she had pre-marital sex. WHO CARES! That's life, people do stuff and then change and become more responsible.

Disclaimer: I don't personally see "drug use" as a blanket term, irresponsible. Everything we consume is a chemical and causes reactions in the body.. some of those are just banned because corporations funded politicians to make it so, because they were competing with their own corporate chemical product.
 

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I don't agree, the tests are for illegal substances....
I disagree. The tests are for substances that violate company policy.

A company could choose to disregard positive drug tests and fire you for smoking cigarettes, and that would be their prerogative to do so as long as you'd been properly informed that those were the conditions of your employment.
 

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oh man, not this high almighty I don't do drugs grandfather rant again. Seriously, the kid said he's stopped, he just needs more time for it to be out of his system before being tested. He's obviously picked career over drugs, so relax your granddad pants and sit back down.. trying to make an issue out of nothing. It's like getting angry about your daughter telling you when she's 40 and married with kids, that when she was in her 20's, she had pre-marital sex. WHO CARES! That's life, people do stuff and then change and become more responsible. Disclaimer: I don't personally see "drug use" as a blanket term, irresponsible. Everything we consume is a chemical and causes reactions in the body.. some of those are just banned because corporations funded politicians to make it so, because they were competing with their own corporate chemical product.
So a week ago he decided he'd pick career over drugs? Little different than the 20yr span you describe! I'm not anti pot. I'd vote today to change the hypocritical laws! But, it is what it is right now. I disagree with the 200yd sections of highway with 35mph speed limits when the whole rest of the road is 55mph too! Obviously a revenue generating speed trap... But I can't blow through it at 60 and then complain and try to get my ticket fixed and expect to be seen as responsible just because I disagree and see it for what it is.
 
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