Estimator/PM last couple years. Switched to electrical trade in 1995.
I thought this was a 'Professional electricians' forum. Why is this discussion even continuing? Author is not an electrician or even close.
1) Because no one is asking for diy type advice on how to install something.I thought this was a 'Professional electricians' forum. Why is this discussion even continuing? Author is not an electrician or even close.
You are coming across as self righteous know it all.Answer to his question is readily available in NFPA 70E. That is what we 'professionals' refer to. In all the replies, no one but myself even mentioned NFPA. So 3pages of banther when the answer was given on pg1.
So that's a no, you don't do a thorough inspection.Uhm, no... Main breakers do not need excersizing, and are not a "switch". I know inspectors who will "test" them in EMPTY houses, and they say a fair number won't reset... not something you want to do in an occupied house.
Not everything needs sparky's immediate attention, but should be part of a plan, and to be aware of the problems. Some things, yes, they need immediate attention like the Hot wall outlet with nothing plugged into it... (turned out to be loose push in connectors, outlet was badly burnt on backside) GFCIs that won't trip and other things that pose an immediate hazard to the occupants today...
we don't open walls, dig in mulch or move furniture. We do what we can in the time allowed, and we are always asked "aren't you done yet?"
Actually Main Circuit Breakers do need exercising. And as you are there to inspect opening and closing all CB's should be completed. If it does not reset there is an issue and the electrical system failed the inspection.Uhm, no... Main breakers do not need exercising, and are not a "switch". I know inspectors who will "test" them in EMPTY houses, and they say a fair number won't reset... not something you want to do in an occupied house.
I hear you - and normally I would agree but, no diy questions have been asked. OP is asking opinions, so I get why the thread is still open.I thought this was a 'Professional electricians' forum. Why is this discussion even continuing? Author is not an electrician or even close.
Does 70E apply to single family dwellings? Who enforces it or is it under OSHA?A good inspector is pure gold, and rare as hen's teeth.
Don't worry about what I do, in the words of Charles Barkley, I'M NO ROLE MODEL. 🤪
Best answer was, take NFPA 70E and make a more informed decision.
I wanted to repeat this as you seemed to have missed or ignored it.This Is a "Typical" site...
Had to Sit on the Toilet to open the Panel... yea safe...
OSHA's rules are general safety requirements for the workplace, and the rules apply to all kinds of workplaces. For example, there's a requirement that PPE be provided where necessary. So in a specific situation, to comply with OSHA's requirements you have to determine what's actually necessary. OSHA recognizes NFPA 70E as an accepted standard to determine what PPE is necessary in a given situation.Does 70E apply to single family dwellings? Who enforces it or is it under OSHA?
Opening a panel is different then removing a cover.We are REQUIRED by our LICENSES to open, examine and report on electrical panels. We are licensed, and trained, and required to get continuing education.
I believe the OP was implying that the home inspectors in his area have to have some basic training in electrical stuff. Also, in the US, our main circuit breaker is not isolated from the rest of the panel so turning it off does not de-energize the panel. Only the buss bar. Is the main breaker in Canada in a separate compartment? I agree about taking off panel covers in unfamiliar panels. You never know what is inside and we have all seen some winners. Eventually we will find a happy medium where we can be safe and still be able to inspect things whether it be electricity, steam, gas, stored energy, mechanical machines. A boiler guy does not call in an electrician, a controls guy, and a plumber every time he has to work on a boiler.@Bob Sisson , tell me something. You say your organization tells you not to turn off the panel, but to open it live because they don’t want to possibly disrupt the power for the home owner if the main will not reset correct?
Is this actually in writing as a policy of the organization? I bet it isn’t as it could be grounds for a lawsuit if there were injuries.
So what happens if a home inspector (with no actual electrical training or NFPA 70 training) opens a live panel and a locknut or screw falls across the mains and causes a major short? Now the panel is off, damaged and in some cases not able to be turned back on. Not to mention the possible injuries to the home inspector.
Wouldn’t that be worse?
Although done often, even electricians should not be opening panels live.