Do bread ties holding the box to the support make the octagon 50 pound rated? Found this today on a light box within 12" of the attic access. Yes, those bread ties WERE the only thing holding the box to the support.
Not quite as interesting, but last week I pulled 9 ceiling fans out of a laundromat that were attached to metal boxes with braces resting on the drop ceiling tiles. They had been up there since the early 80s and shockingly not one had fallen.
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