I was trying to explain IBEW is not all that great. I went thru the whole thing and I didn't split. I got benched often and got tired of being on the damn bench. Not stable income when you have a family and bills to pay. So I took the next best thing and not a textbook scab. I climb the ladders with my crew. And yes they hold I do not work SF jobs.I think your username says it al "slow for the cones" I'm a flagman on the rual highways. Not that it matters but I spent thirty years in California as an electrician, union, non-union, government, contractor, superintendent ect. If you really are all that and a candy bar you wouldn't have to talk yourself up to be the king of electricians and now the frosting "Im an engineer all hail me". If your guys aren't certified they're not working any big jobs. Again I'll say you don't pay attendtion to details. The OP was looking for ways to get in the field and I suggested three things which you said were all wrong but, you must have agreed to one "start calling contractors". Northern California huh, let me guess S.F.. Work the high rises, large retail malls and the petro chemical plant. Design all the systems and do all the programing all my yourself. What a guy.