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Standard tests are Megger, TTR (turns ratio), ohms/inductance or tan delta, There are other more advanced tests but these tests look specifically for insulation and wiring damage. These are the same tests specified in NFPA 70B and NETA MTS. Nothing special except the TTR and ohms/tan delta test equipment costs several thousand and not something most electricians have. The TTR for instance gives you a very accurate turns ratio. Works great on 3 phase. On single phase it would be hard to tell anything except compared to name plate. Or just do a smoke test (run it…pass/fail)!and check temperature. This is one of those situations where it’s often hard to tell.

We have repaired a few when it’s really just 1 or 2 turns and easily accessible even if we had to crimp or TiG the wiring then reinsulate the repairs for moisture protection. If it gets to the point where it’s more than that though you are looking at rewinding. If you feel confident just get a couple of the year off packs of epoxy that comes with the popsicle stick. Mix it up on cardboard and smear a THIN coating on the wiring once the epoxy gets a little thick.
 

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Standard tests are Megger, TTR (turns ratio), ohms/inductance or tan delta, There are other more advanced tests but these tests look specifically for insulation and wiring damage. These are the same tests specified in NFPA 70B and NETA MTS. Nothing special except the TTR and ohms/tan delta test equipment costs several thousand and not something most electricians have. The TTR for instance gives you a very accurate turns ratio. Works great on 3 phase. On single phase it would be hard to tell anything except compared to name plate. Or just do a smoke test (run it…pass/fail)!and check temperature. This is one of those situations where it’s often hard to tell.

We have repaired a few when it’s really just 1 or 2 turns and easily accessible even if we had to crimp or TiG the wiring then reinsulate the repairs for moisture protection. If it gets to the point where it’s more than that though you are looking at rewinding. If you feel confident just get a couple of the year off packs of epoxy that comes with the popsicle stick. Mix it up on cardboard and smear a THIN coating on the wiring once the epoxy gets a little thick.
This is what it looks like
 

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That doesn't look bad at all. The tape is just glass tape. Slice it open with a utility knife and check what the damage is, if anything. It looks like it shouldn't be a problem. Then rewrap tightly with glass tape and coat everything in epoxy. Getting glass tape started can be tricky...if it doesn't stick you can use a piece of vinyl tape (88/33+) or even just tie a knot in it back along where you have good insulation.

You can buy glass tape and epoxy yourself from EIS Sales or even McMaster-Carr. Or if you know of a local transformer shop or even a local motor shop they can probably sell you/give you the stuff very inexpensively since they buy it in bulk. Those bundles are groups of parallel flat wires...it will look like "ribbons". Once you verify that nothing has been seriously damaged then just reinsulate. Even if the insulation is damaged you can take strips of glass tape and lay between them then wrap the whole bundle. I'm probably giving away the shop secrets but once in a while things like this happen and every shop will make minor repairs as long as it doesn't compromise the product.
 

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What the heck happened there? The frayed tape second row in on the top damaged row looks like there might be an interesting story there.:D
 

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That doesn't look bad at all. The tape is just glass tape. Slice it open with a utility knife and check what the damage is, if anything. It looks like it shouldn't be a problem. Then rewrap tightly with glass tape and coat everything in epoxy. Getting glass tape started can be tricky...if it doesn't stick you can use a piece of vinyl tape (88/33+) or even just tie a knot in it back along where you have good insulation.

You can buy glass tape and epoxy yourself from EIS Sales or even McMaster-Carr. Or if you know of a local transformer shop or even a local motor shop they can probably sell you/give you the stuff very inexpensively since they buy it in bulk. Those bundles are groups of parallel flat wires...it will look like "ribbons". Once you verify that nothing has been seriously damaged then just reinsulate. Even if the insulation is damaged you can take strips of glass tape and lay between them then wrap the whole bundle. I'm probably giving away the shop secrets but once in a while things like this happen and every shop will make minor repairs as long as it doesn't compromise the product.
Would a glass cloth electrical tape like this work: https://www.amazon.ca/3M-Glass-Clot...=1663631309&sprefix=glass+tape,aps,150&sr=8-4
or a ACRYLIC GLASS FILAMENT TAPE like this be better
 

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Can a dry type transformer winding be repaired without rewinding the whole transformer. 4 inches of the very outer winding got slightly dented and a little bit of the varnish and tape came off. This transformer is 25kv (7.65kv per phase)
First question I have is who are you, you did not fill out your profile are you a Contractor, Owner of equipment, Project manager?
The reason is each one will have a different reason for asking this question.
As the owner/customer my answer is no, not worth the risk.
As the PM my answer is no, the delay is better than the risks.
As the EC my answer is hell no, if it has an issue later on not worth the risk of you being on the hook for lost down time once building is running.

Even if it tests and powers up now once it start vibrating later it may wear thru or after it is fully loaded and heats up it may fail.

Your choice but whoever is footing the bill is paying for NEW equipment, not a repaired piece.

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