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I need to tap into some of you residential guru's knowledge.

I have a Square D Homeline 61 series panel in my old house. I'm thinking maybe 30-36 circuit. I am attempting to fix myriad f-ups from the previous owners wiring skills (It's a 1927 farm house that has had countless "upgrades"). Anyway, I want(ed) to install a few 15 amp tandems to split several low power circuits.

It seems that these tandems don't want to fit in the bus slots. Sooo...

1. Are there different configurations of Homeline panels?
2. Is my panel an oddity or outdated, or just not meant to accomodate tandems?
3. Am I too stupid to install the dammm thing (a real possibility)?

As an industrial guy, I rarely run across this type of issue. We never use tandems, and we usually use QOBs anyway. I have very limited knowledge of the Homeline brand. So gentlemen, I sure could use a little education.

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As part of this (my) latest upgrade, I am doing little things like.... using the ground wire for an actual ground. The last DB did things like:

No connectors into the 4" square boxes, just bang out the KO and sticka wire in the hole.

No box covers on anything in the basement (under a drop ceiling).

No staples on the NM, just run across the ceiling grid.

Cutting back ALL ground wires on every NM at every box, but oddly enough landing them all real pretty like in the panel.

He (they) also tagged onto just any ol line they could find to add a widget here or there. I have many circuits that, say, run a receptacle in the front upstairs bedroom, a light fixture in the basement bath, and the outside porch light in the back yard! Yeah, lots of that kind of stuff.

I see nothing, however, that will burn the house down tonight, so I'm just chipping away at it in the evenings. I could, and may end up doing a quick load study and then rearrange some things.

I find it hard to swallow that there could be more than one "Homeline" brand panel and breaker cofiguration. I cannot find any references at Square D to explain if differences exist. I just figured I was too dumb to install these things.

Hell I may rip it all out and start over just for chits and giggles. I'm sure the war wagon would be real proud of me for disrupting her "new" house! :no:

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In my industrial aluminum and steel mill world, I use QO almost exclusively for new projects. I simply like the fact that I (my people) can quickly spot a trip condition. I have both bolt-in and snap-in panels. I have never seen another breaker that would "fit" the QO series.

Maybe I'll hire a real electrician to re-work my new old house......

Nah, I need the practice. :whistling2:
 

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Short cut: time to break out the grinder!!:laughing:
I'm tempted, and could pull it off, but had better not. You guys wouldn't respect me any more.

I am home now, looked it all over, and there is no way a 62 series tandem is going to stab into that 61 series bus. So, they either made a different series (that I can find no mention of), or they made this a rejection style panel. Either way, I'll take the tandems back, reconfigure the loads, and move on.

Why does everything have to be such a b!tch (rhetorical question) ?
 

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I almost hate to slow this thread down for what it was really about, but I have found my answer. The Homeline (Square D) line has many different styles of panelboards. I had to dig a little bit, but found specs on all of their panelboards:

http://www.schneider-electric.com/p...51210-residential/6030-homeline-load-centers/

I think someone may have mentioned this, but many of their offerings (including mine) use a rejection style buss or breaker to limit the number of available circuits. My 30 cannot become a 60, etc...

Now that this issue is cleared up for me, please carry on with phasing issues (my house is 120/240 single phase..... I think). :jester:
 
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