Yes they did delete the 42 cir rule and now some manufacturers are making larger panels. I still like using smaller sub panels around the home rather than one large panel especially on the larger homes that we do.
If the homeowner gets confused by a few panels or does not know they have them then I feel sorry for them. I will usually have one panel in a bedroom wing that does that area only.
The house we are doing now I have one in the laundry area that feeds the kitchen , dining and laundry. The other is in the bedroom area and feeds the bedroom circuits and the living room near the bedrooms.
I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure it out
Part of the reason I want sub panels is because I don't want to run 125' homeruns especially with afci circuits. IMO that's looking for trouble. Instead I have homeruns that average 30 or 40 feet.
Dennis how do you root your home runs when you're going through an attic you go along the perimeter of the attic and keep the runs perpendicular or do you go diagonal? do you ever use running boards and nail the cables to the side of them and stack them on top of the attic joist.also any tips on running the cables under in the basement we have crawlspaces here in California usually a couple 2ft crawl space underneath the house.also do you split up rooms with your receptacles are you keep rooms on the same circuit how many receptacles do you like to put on a circuit?
Part of the reason I want sub panels is because I don't want to run 125' homeruns especially with afci circuits. IMO that's looking for trouble. Instead I have homeruns that average 30 or 40 feet. It is also very cost effective in many situations
That's how we did it when i wired homes. Big customs would get a 125 amp 24 space sub on the second floor to handle all the bedroom circuits. Definitely came in handy for second floor laundry rooms too.
We do separate sub panels as well. Typically I will do a 100 amp sub panel in the second floor mechanical room and a 200 amp main panel for the first floor and a 200 amp main panel for the basement on a 320 amp service. If we are doing a 600 amp service, then we do 2 200 amp mains in the basement and a 200 amp disconnect and then do another 200 amp main in the second floor mechanical room.
We had a call not long ago from the general contractor of a 13,000 sq ft house. The owner was suing because of poor electrical wiring. He is a financial broker sort of person, and has lost 3 computers since the home was completed. We were called in as a third party to figure out what's going on. We noticed right away all the panels were in the basement and the owners office was on the top floor all the way on the other end of the house. Tested it and found 91 volts. After a whole bunch of digging through the attic and picture taking we were subpoenaed and had to testify that the home runs were in 14-2 on a 15 amp breaker and were 175 ft or longer the way they were run. Now we are doing an estimate for the same house to add a panel on the second floor and get all those home runs into that panel instead. What a pain in the arse.
In an 1800 square ft. house I installed a 200A main panel which is unfortunately in an almost inaccessible location for branch circuits, so I added subpanels for the family room/entertainment center, master bedroom, generator panel, shop and exterior holiday lights. Ya...5 subs for an 1800 sq. ft. house. Branch circuits probably average 20'.
I'll do 15A receptacle circuits if there is central air. If there isn't I like #12 for all the window ACs and in older houses where electric space heaters are still used. If there isn't going to be either window ACs or heaters then 15A is more than enough power
This got me thinking of our own electrical demand in the kitchen. Refrigerator aside, what is the most amount of countertop appliances you've ever used in your kitchen simultaneously?
The coffee maker is usually done brewing by the time anything else is fired up, so I can't even count that. But an electric griddle + toaster on rare occasions. (Because who has toast AND pancakes?) Sometimes dinner is made in an electric rotisserie.
I have 6 panels in my home/garage and still have space issues (one sub is full, on the to do list to swap it out).
Finding a tripped breaker is not a big deal.
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