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Why would his panel need to be replaced by a plumber. 馃. As said do the proper panel upgrade, remember this is a friend of a friend. Don't ever do anything that is borderline as it could effect your business because the FOF did not like it or gets called out on it later and says " But TEO said it wasOK"
yeah i heard TEO said it was fine but CA said no way jose
 

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Nothing, as stated it's ok to install 3r indoors.
A common statement from inspector to homeowners would be "EC wasted money putting 3r indoors"

On resi I always have inspector, H.O., & me on site
i dont like to waste money so i dont go off of what inspectors say, only what codes are legally adopted..... also dont waste time with shadowing ppl unless its paid.
 

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Indoors and outdoors are not defined in NEC Article 100. Dry locations, Damp Locations, and Wet Locations are. NEC TABLE 110.28 does define what enclosures are required for what types of exposure to what type of conditions.

As I read both those I can only conclude a nema one panel is fine as long as it is not subject to any rain, sleet, snow, combustive dusts, vapors, etc. Flushed into a carport wall with a door fashioned on the front pretty much means it's not going to be subject to any of the above. Dampness although fairly ambiguous at times might be the only real possibility of getting thru the barrier. There is probably work arounds for that as well, ie gaskets.
 

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Indoors and outdoors are not defined in NEC Article 100. Dry locations, Damp Locations, and Wet Locations are. NEC TABLE 110.28 does define what enclosures are required for what types of exposure to what type of conditions.

As I read both those I can only conclude a nema one panel is fine as long as it is not subject to any rain, sleet, snow, combustive dusts, vapors, etc. Flushed into a carport wall with a door fashioned on the front pretty much means it's not going to be subject to any of the above. Dampness although fairly ambiguous at times might be the only real possibility of getting thru the barrier. There is probably work arounds for that as well, ie gaskets.
lets not forget our favorite 110.3b
 

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There are many situations that 3r panels are required indoors. Just because an inspector or EE says it's not needed doesn't make it so. Water and liquids don't discriminate. A carport is a good example. That the best place to wash your car and spray water into the panel. I agree with Macmikenan but think about it,... you cant put a standard receptacle and cover in a carport so why would it be ok to put a nema1 panel in such a location.
 

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There are many situations that 3r panels are required indoors. Just because an inspector or EE says it's not needed doesn't make it so. Water and liquids don't discriminate. A carport is a good example. That the best place to wash your car and spray water into the panel.
That's a 3r location, its outside. Here inspector reads stickers, usually while I verify torque values
 

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This is beginning to remind me of when "inspectors" try to tell me I cannot put an indoor panel into a laundry room because there is a laundry tray installed in the same room. B.S. Show me the code for that.
 

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This is beginning to remind me of when "inspectors" try to tell me I cannot put an indoor panel into a laundry room because there is a laundry tray installed in the same room. B.S. Show me the code for that.
Well that's going too far. A Laundry room is ok as long as no one washes the walls with a hose after they do their laundry. Bell boxes and WP receptacles are not required in a laundry room.
 

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Well that's going too far. A Laundry room is ok as long as no one washes the walls with a hose after they do their laundry. Bell boxes and WP receptacles are not required in a laundry room.
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