[LARMGUY]

One instructor I had said, "If the "Industry Standard" for splices was to strip two wires and position the wires together placing them touching each other between two bricks. If knowing this practice was against code but everyone in the trade did it the practice became "Industry Standard"."

He equated the positioning of the resistors at the alarm panel in the alarm trade as "Industry Standard" therefore defensible even though it is in direct conflict with manufacturer's instructions.

Is the term "Industry Standard" a legal defense in shoddy work?

 

[RIVETER]

No, it cannot.

 

[backstay]

"All my friends are doing it!"

 

[ACA]

Isn't the purpose of the end of line resistor to signify a fault if the signal doesn't reach the end of line?

 

[Vintage Sounds]

Do you guys really have your EOLs back in the panel on Class B systems?

 

[TOOL_5150]

Anything that isnt Code, is not, and should not be enforceable. Our shop has "shop standards" and I dont care to follow their rules. I install to code, thats it. I will not put a strap within 6" of a fitting, I will not put 3 screws in a bracket box and I will NEVER pretwist wires.

 

[jett95]

Anything that isnt Code, is not, and should not be enforceable. Our shop has "shop standards" and I dont care to follow their rules. I install to code, thats it. I will not put a strap within 6" of a fitting, I will not put 3 screws in a bracket box and I will NEVER pretwist wires.

So you dont splice, you just put a wire nut on it?

 

[chicken steve]

It's my Industry Standard to get paid no matter how shoddy you make our work out to be.....

~CS~

 

[99cents]

So you dont splice, you just put a wire nut on it?

.....

 

[LARMGUY]

Do you guys really have your EOLs back in the panel on Class B systems?

Not me, I've seen it on enterprise systems

 

[Ious]

Our shop has "shop standards" and I dont care to follow their rules. I install to code, thats it. I will not put a strap within 6" of a fitting, I will not put 3 screws in a bracket box and I will NEVER pretwist wires.

Have you ever thought that maybe... just maybe, these are the reasons why you only work a few months per year??

 

[Big John]

I'll admit, the more years pass, the less I care specifically about code. I care about safety and functionality, and 95% of the time following those makes something code compliant by accident.

So if the "industry standard" runs afoul of safe or functional (like putting EOL resistors in the panel) then I don't do it.

 

[TOOL_5150]

So you dont splice, you just put a wire nut on it?

what does that even mean?

A splice requires a wirenut. we dont use tape any more for splices.

I do not pretwist wires before installing the wirenut.

 

[TOOL_5150]

Have you ever thought that maybe... just maybe, these are the reasons why you only work a few months per year??

lol.. 7 posts and you know of some of my complaints from years ago....

Whoever you are, you should get a damn life.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Do you guys really have your EOLs back in the panel on Class B systems?

I have worked on two systems where that was required by the design documents.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Anything that isnt Code, is not, and should not be enforceable. Our shop has "shop standards" and I dont care to follow their rules. I install to code, thats it. I will not put a strap within 6" of a fitting, I will not put 3 screws in a bracket box and I will NEVER pretwist wires.

If I am the boss and those are my standards and I have made it clear that is how it is to be installed, if you don't do it my way, you don't work for me anymore.

 

[Ious]

lol.. 7 posts and you know of some of my complaints from years ago....

Whoever you are, you should get a damn life.

It was just a couple weeks ago you were saying it.

Speaking of getting a life, if you just did the work correctly and stopped being such a rebel, things would go better for you. No one thinks you are hardcore, quit the act.

 

[brian john]

If I am the boss and those are my standards and I have made it clear that is how it is to be installed, if you don't do it my way, you don't work for me anymore.

It is the old MY WAY or THE HIGHWAY rule and that is INDUSTRY STANDARD.

 

[TOOL_5150]

If I am the boss and those are my standards and I have made it clear that is how it is to be installed, if you don't do it my way, you don't work for me anymore.

call my boss up and have him lay me off, I couldnt care less.

 

[TOOL_5150]

It was just a couple weeks ago you were saying it.

Speaking of getting a life, if you just did the work correctly and stopped being such a rebel, things would go better for you. No one thinks you are hardcore, quit the act.

sure thing troll.