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Working up a bid for a bit of work to be done.

Let's say you were asked to change out all of the lighting fixtures in a house that is wired in K&T. In one of the rooms you would actually need to wire a S/L for the ceiling fan.

Would you just R&R existing fixtures?
What are you going to do about the ceiling fan that needs a switch leg?
 

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This is a house that is getting flipped.
Customer wants new circuits for:
Washer
Dryer
Water heater
Gas furnace
CAC
Microwave
D&D
Bathroom

Going to need an attic light on a switch.

I think I am going to bid to rewire the lighting circuit since I am running new circuits anyway. But, I doubt he will like the price.
 

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Flippers are dirt bags as a rule. They never like the price.

K&T = Knob and Tube? There will be no insulation on any of the wires once you move them at a light box. The way it is. Just bare copper baby.

Price her in the stratosphere.

Edit: Good chance there are no boxes behind the fixtures too.
 

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Most insurance companies drop K&T houses as a rule Aftershock, so you might want to approach your customer in terms of 'flippability'

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Flippers are dirt bags as a rule. They never like the price.

K&T = Knob and Tube? There will be no insulation on any of the wires once you move them at a light box. The way it is. Just bare copper baby.

Price her in the stratosphere.

Edit: Good chance there are no boxes behind the fixtures too.
I have $4150.00

This is the same guy that our previous employee would do side work for.
So I know he wont like the price.
 

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Hmmm

i often separate new work distinctly from old work AS

i'll see your $$, and up the ante' by that lighting circuit :)

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Just walking into a house and muttering to yourself "K&T, sh!t". is often enough to start a fire.

That stuff is just too darn old and brittle. She's a total "smoke the lathe and plaster (by others)" and re-wire the place.

Edit: $12,000
 

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If you don't rewire it are you going to run new egc to each fixture you replace or are you going to replace the fixtures with fixtures rated for use use with no EGC? Including a ceiling fan rated for use with no EGC? Are you going to extend the switch leg in k&t or nm and run a new egc to the new switch? Are you going to use a switch rated for use with no egc? Gfi protect the circuit extensions?

In the end it may cost less to just replace whats there with new nm circuits WITHOUT demoing all the lath abandoning the k&t in place. Compaired to adding the right fixtures for k&t and adding the appropriate EGC or GFI protection. If it isnt a demo then really you only have to wire what is existing and don't have to add as many circuuts except perhaps an additional snall appliance circuit or something else that just makes sense to add.

Either way I'm right around 10-12k depending on how the house is laid out.

These are good gigs if you present them right even if they are flippers. If your not sure how to present that to your customer call me Ill give you some ideas.
 

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K&T is T&M work for me.. no way I quote that. I'll give a "rough estimate" of how much I think it'll wind up costing, but I tell them, if they want a quote, it's going to be high to protect myself. They are fine with T&M.
 

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If you don't rewire it are you going to run new egc to each fixture you replace or are you going to replace the fixtures with fixtures rated for use use with no EGC? Including a ceiling fan rated for use with no EGC? Are you going to extend the switch leg in k&t or nm and run a new egc to the new switch? Are you going to use a switch rated for use with no egc? Gfi protect the circuit extensions?

In the end it may cost less to just replace whats there with new nm circuits WITHOUT demoing all the lath abandoning the k&t in place. Compaired to adding the right fixtures for k&t and adding the appropriate EGC or GFI protection. If it isnt a demo then really you only have to wire what is existing and don't have to add as many circuuts except perhaps an additional snall appliance circuit or something else that just makes sense to add.

Either way I'm right around 10-12k depending on how the house is laid out.

These are good gigs if you present them right even if they are flippers. If your not sure how to present that to your customer call me Ill give you some ideas.
The lighting circuit would be rewired. Hell does K&T even have the temp rating required by the fixture mfg?, much less no egc.

These houses are easy work. No insulation even on the outside walls. Just drop chain and run with it.

Anyways at 4k this guy nearly passed out and said he would get back with us.

If he does not use us he will probably find someone who would used the K&T for the light fixtures and probably combine on the new circuits to keep from running as many.

See, we used to do a lot of work for this customer. The guy that we recently let go started doing work for him on the side. Even borrowed company tools to do so. So this customer was getting work done dirt cheap.

I wondered why we started hearing from this customer once the other employee was no longer with us.
 

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Why even bid this job if the guy is so hung up on price? He is worried about price, not value, walk away.
 
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