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just seen my friends quote for solar.

81k of which he will be expected to pay 64k. Still got a $50 connection fee to the grid and $50 insurance for the system.

They show it on paper saving $2700 a year (12 cent a kwh in his area).

I figure if you have 64k cash and invested it in stocks and shares it should be able to cover the electric bill for the next 30 years taking into account inflation then look at the 50 saved on insurance as a bonus.
Ding Ding Ding. Give the man his prize! That has always been the problem. It’s not viable unless someone else is paying for it.
 

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just seen my friends quote for solar.

81k of which he will be expected to pay 64k. Still got a $50 connection fee to the grid and $50 insurance for the system.

They show it on paper saving $2700 a year (12 cent a kwh in his area).

I figure if you have 64k cash and invested it in stocks and shares it should be able to cover the electric bill for the next 30 years taking into account inflation then look at the 50 saved on insurance as a bonus.
What state is this?
 

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Isn't consumption what Doc Holiday died of?
Yes, he died of Consumption in Glenwood Springs at the age of 36.

Your showing your age calling it consumption, few of us remember that term.
 

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Yes, he died of Consumption in Glenwood Springs at the age of 36.

Your showing your age calling it consumption, few of us remember that term.
i remember it from the movies, not from real life
the term consumption was actually used to name almost everything that dr.'s werent sure of
doc holliday has been post forensically decreed to have had tuberculosis
 

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Near as I can tell, the only fair way for a PUCO to bill would to have a fixed cost based on the KVA of your service which would include admin costs, system upgrades and maintenance costs, etc.

Then both generating and usage cost would be the same. Anyone with solar would pay very little, maybe even be paid but they'd pay the same system case as everyone else. No more idiotic 'net metering' or any other crap like that.

There would be only one meter, if it went forward, you pay the cost of the energy you consume. If it goes backward, you get paid for the cost of energy you generate.
I pay $12 a month for a county water meter, and am on a well for the three properties it serves. Guess it's nice as a backup. New house is well only, so it's off the water grid.
 

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Ding Ding Ding. Give the man his prize! That has always been the problem. It’s not viable unless someone else is paying for it.
Not true, it's totally viable even w/o any subsidies if these bottom feeding ripoff artists we call solar specialists who hire landscapers for electricians and have a master who retired 20 years ago filing all your permits for the installs... who literally are making $$$ hand over fist. And their fast talking salesmen who make a nice commission, it's not the beuraucrats it's the capitalists and used car salesmen talking unwitting H/O's into a really bad deal... with no wiggle room. AL electrician can get all the necessary panels and inverters and install their own for 1about 1/4 the price the solar installing/leasing company charges and you don't have to cut them into your own power production profits either.
 

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PV Install Cost
6kW system materials $8000
Real energy harvest 6,000kW per year
PoCo payment @.12/kW-$720 per year
System cost ROI $8000\$720=11years if your inverter doesn’t fail from lightning strikes.

At a price of $12,000 payback is almost 17 years.

If you borrowed for your system. God help you.

Give me an address and the kW charge from your PoCo and I can tell how much you will make on a 6000 watt system.
 

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PV Install Cost
6kW system materials $8000
Real energy harvest 6,000kW per year
PoCo payment @.12/kW-$720 per year
System cost ROI $8000\$720=11years if your inverter doesn’t fail from lightning strikes.

At a price of $12,000 payback is almost 17 years.

If you borrowed for your system. God help you.

Give me an address and the kW charge from your PoCo and I can tell how much you will make on a 6000 watt system.
Address say Oneonta zip code 13820 Kwh -.07009166. My current bill is
17.00 basic service charge.
1.00 SBC charge
My supply @ the above kWh rate was 233 kWh
16.33 for the kW's
and a couple miscellanious BS merchant function charge for .23 cents for August and .14 cents for the 1st 1/2 of September
Delivery charges totaled 29.24
The bill totaled $46.54 for the month Mid August to Mid September.
 

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Somehow I get .069 per kWh out of that rambling. Is that true? A lot of people would love that rate.

So if you installed your own 6000 watt system at 9 Washington St (I needed a street address)
for about $8000(I think that’s a touch low). You would harvest about 7,200 kWh per year. But, I have to believe you get a little snow there, so I’m going to be generous. I will only round down to 7,000.

7000 x .069 =$483
$8000/ $483 = 16.5 years to pay for that system at cost.

$12,000 / $483 = almost 25 years if it was installed.
 

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Somehow I get .069 per kWh out of that rambling. Is that true? A lot of people would love that rate.

So if you installed your own 6000 watt system at 9 Washington St (I needed a street address)
for about $8000(I think that’s a touch low). You would harvest about 7,200 kWh per year. But, I have to believe you get a little snow there, so I’m going to be generous. I will only round down to 7,000.

7000 x .069 =$483
$8000/ $483 = 16.5 years to pay for that system at cost.

$12,000 / $483 = almost 25 years if it was installed.
So I'll install more and make it back in bulk!

What I want is to plant them en masse on some sunny land I own nearby, not on my house... and sell it to the grid to pay my electric bill down on Long Island, where I cannot have panels. The rate there in PSEG territory around .18 kWh.
 

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I believe the goal is to have each device remotely configurable and networked with in-home appliances, which the utilities would like more control over. For example through an opt-in energy plan, some people have recently had notices popping up on their thermostats that their usage of their home heating/cooling would be limited.



Smart meters can monitor you usage, sense when the meter is disconnected or has no electric, limit your power and shut you off. It can tell when you lost power sometimes before the homeowner does. It does it electronically. They can send signals back to the main office on a regular basis. They also can cause the AFCI breaker to trip under ideal conditions. They also have thinner blades so they are sometimes loose in the older meter pa
 

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Smart meters can monitor you usage, sense when the meter is disconnected or has no electric, limit your power and shut you off. It can tell when you lost power sometimes before the homeowner does. It does it electronically. They can send signals back to the main office on a regular basis. They also can cause the AFCI breaker to trip under ideal conditions. They also have thinner blades so they are sometimes loose in the older meter pans.
Not all smart meters have every one of those features. But with real time status reporting and instant feedback... they or rather, the utility's computers anylize the amperages as they increase and decrease and pretty much tell what is on with a certain degree of accuracy.

My Wyze smarthome modules can report on the amount of kwhs the device plugged in uses and reports it on my phone or laptop on request... see if the AC has been running too much or see how much current the Christmas decorations are using...
 

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Not all smart meters have every one of those features. But with real time status reporting and instant feedback... they or rather, the utility's computers anylize the amperages as they increase and decrease and pretty much tell what is on with a certain degree of accuracy.

My Wyze smarthome modules can report on the amount of kwhs the device plugged in uses and reports it on my phone or laptop on request... see if the AC has been running too much or see how much current the Christmas decorations are using...
I just did a panel change on an empty house that had a smart meter install. Being that the house was vacant for over a year the electricity was turned off . There was line side voltage but no load side voltage out of the meter. I called to have it turned back on and they did it from the office.. You do not pay your bill they can shut you off remotely. I guess it is safer for the meter people in some areas.
 

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I just did a panel change on an empty house that had a smart meter install. Being that the house was vacant for over a year the electricity was turned off . There was line side voltage but no load side voltage out of the meter. I called to have it turned back on and they did it from the office.. You do not pay your bill they can shut you off remotely. I guess it is safer for the meter people in some areas.
It's cheaper for the utility to do that than send a meter man out with a partner... that's why the kWh rates are no dropping like lead balloons...
Oh no wait...
 

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It's cheaper for the utility to do that than send a meter man out with a partner... that's why the kWh rates are no dropping like lead balloons...
Oh no wait...
What would happen if a meter / revenue protection person went out to a place like Wyandanch to turn off the electricity for non payment?
 

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What would happen if a meter / revenue protection person went out to a place like Wyandanch to turn off the electricity for non payment?
Nothing. Even poor income challenged on Long Island know better than to mess with the utilities, Postmen, CPS, etc. Once gon they black outy their windows and jumper or tap or bypass or steal it from a neighbor.
 
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