[Almost Retired]

never even heard of that, much less seen it

 

[macmikeman]

How shocking. GE arc fault breakers. Shame on you Horton. oh, you mean the screw........ well, with GE arc fault you are sorta screwed to begin with ..............

 

[Southeastspecialized]

I always take pics of what I've found over the last 20 years because others just can't believe it without proof.

 

[Southeastspecialized]

While doing resale inspections on DR Horton homes in Georgia, I have found at least 6 of these attempted Stupid fixes. Homeowners state a warranty company was sent to fix breaker shutting off issue less than 1 year after new home possession. Any one else seen this illegal and dangerous "fix" in panels? This was from a 2019 inspection I failed. I can usually tell prior to removing panel cover someone's been in it by only having to remove 2 of the 6 cover plate screws, and finding the other 4 on floor.

Its the drywall screw holding GFI breaker from closing due to fault !! These warranty companies sent by big builders are not qualified to do anything !! Period, not even oil a door hinge.😟

 

[backstay]

I’ve never liked the word illegal when describing a code violation. The NEC is not a law that can be broken.

 

[Southeastspecialized]

I’ve never liked the word illegal when describing a code violation. The NEC is not a law that can be broken.

HMM, I've testified in Court 4 times on criminal cases as an expert witness regarding Electricians operating without AHJ permits or Licenses and the home of customer that burned down due to them not following wiring basics in code book. In all cases the NEC 2017 was used to both prosecute and also used to sue individuals civilly for damages. If you fail to abide by it, I promise It will sink you to depths of Hell.
Here's a pic of most current lawsuit using NEC 2017 as evidence against an electrician doing side work with no permits.

 

[backstay]

Operating without a license isn’t a code violation. The state I live in has a statute against wiring for compensation without a state license.

Look at it this way. What does the NEC say is the punishment for installing an undersized conductor? If it was a law, it would contain that information.

 

[Almost Retired]

i agree the NEC is not law, and it says so somewhere in it

the law comes in with the adopting of the NEC in whole, in part, and or in addition to the rules of the local jurisdiction that adopted it along with the statutes they apply.
many have fines, some places are astonishing amounts
without a law they could not levy a fine

whatever they adopt and or legislate is their law, but still not the law of the nec

 

[micromind]

The screw in the breaker will not prevent it from tripping but it will prevent it from being reset.

 

[macmikeman]

The screw in the breaker will not prevent it from tripping but it will prevent it from being reset.

I was thinking the same thing. Internal trip . We've been over this issue before this from packing tape I think it was on the breaker handles trying to keep false early issue arc faults from tripping off every time Madge plugged in the vacuum cleaner. (or at least that was what Madge was saying caused it.......)

 

[SWDweller]

Bet my homes title that Horton had nothing to do with the "worker" who installed that breaker.
Horton is noted for doing everything contractually so they do not have any liability. They have been sued to many times in to many states to make a mistake like that.

I worked for a EC that had a contract with some idiot insurance company. I found a home that the water line had been replaced from galvanized to pvc. Olden days when we actually used to use the water line as the grounding electrode. Just not done any more locally. Should have been caught on the inspection before sale, wasn't. I wanted to install a ground rod problem fixed. Insurance company said, No that is an improvement! So the home owner and the insurance company fought over it. I just drove away shaking my head that the home owner would not pay a $100 bucks for the rod and installation.

 

[samgregger]

Drywall screws are major hack. Drill, thread, and install a machine screw like a professional.

 

[MikeFL]

HMM, I've testified in Court 4 times on criminal cases as an expert witness regarding Electricians operating without AHJ permits or Licenses and the home of customer that burned down due to them not following wiring basics in code book. In all cases the NEC 2017 was used to both prosecute and also used to sue individuals civilly for damages. If you fail to abide by it, I promise It will sink you to depths of Hell.
Here's a pic of most current lawsuit using NEC 2017 as evidence against an electrician doing side work with no permits.

In another thread you tell us how you can qualify 500 companies in your state (in response to someone discussing qualifying someone in another state).

Maybe that fire was caused by someone qualifying too many companies and not having control of operations!

 

[macmikeman]

I wish I could teach that fella that put that screw in a lesson.


Here's the lesson- Try Sika Flex instead so it won't be so obvious and traceable back to you when it starts a fire.....

 

[Wirenuting]

In another thread you tell us how you can qualify 500 companies in your state (in response to someone discussing qualifying someone in another state).

Maybe that fire was caused by someone qualifying too many companies and not having control of operations!

He sounds like he just doesn’t like DR Horton.

 

[Wardenclyffe]

Should have installed one over the breaker,...

 

[seelite]

Sounds like we still have folks replacing blown fuses with a penny.