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On the current site we are working on we are running into the problem of other trades getting into the temporary panels we have set up and doing whatever they want. I guess the biggest problem is having them switching the breakers on and off all the time, especially when they don't know what the breakers are running. Or a bigger problem is Chico making a hole in the panel to run his drop chord in and wiring it up directly. According to OSHA the panels must be readily accessible at all times (so no locking them out). We have signs saying keep out and etc. What are some other good ways of keeping other trades out?


On the same note, how do we keep other trades from turning all the temp lights just enough for them to not glow because it is in their way?
 

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I make custom-made covers for the panels.

An opening on the bottom allows access to the breakers.

Four circuits for 4 GFIs and a 50a 2-pole for a range recept. WP flip cover allows access to main if needed.

Whole thing is just a sheet of steel cut. Cut to the same size and the panel, so there's no overlap. Drywallers can leave it in place & rotozip around it. I don't care if they get mudded or painted on the site. It keeps other trades from removing the cardboard everyone else uses to 'keep them out'. That cardboard ain't exactly the best idea, and once someone pulls it out, it gets tossed in the dumpster.

When not in use, I just pull the breakers off the bus bars and leave them wired to the receps. Undo the grounds and noodles, then it's all ready for the next job.

These are pix of one of the first ones I made. Later 'models' incorporate a piano hinge running horizontally just above the recepts that allow me to open the top portion of the cover to expose the panel guts so I can land HRs without pulling the whole cover off.

These covers keep the panels clean of mud, paint & dust. Keeps other trades' tootsies out. And looks good and professional on the site to boot!




 

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Nice! :thumbsup:
 

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As for Manuel and Julio doing things to/at the panel they're not qualified to do, solution is simple. No power. If they want electricity, they can go get a generator.

I have no problems shutting down temp power if crap like that happens (turning on circuits they have no business turning on, or opening the panel to hard-wire a cord). I've done it before, and I'll do it again. Open the main disco and install a #3 Master padlock.

Trimming an apartment building one time, we kept having a trim carpenter just start turning on breakers until the tripped one is reset and he has power to his saw again.

I told him if he touches another breaker, he'll find two things.... no power and a broken hand. Not more than half an hour later, there he was, flipping breakers on with no regard as to what they went to. "If my saw ain't spinnin, I ain't makin' money!" he cried. I asked him how much a dead electrician makes.

So down to the main I go. Boom. Off. Locked up. Told the crew (it was 2:30), "Let's go home early today, guys!"

GC next morning was POd. I said the trim carpenter has absolutely no business turning breakers on. If he trips a breaker, he is to get ahold of me, or plug into another outlet. It's that simple. We've got guys in there grabbing these wires all day long putting is switches, receptacles, lights, etc.

Then I realized GC was mad at the trimmer, not me. Told him if it happens again, he's off the job for good.
 

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Maybe I will bring up that idea to the boss Monday morning. Would definately have to add more GFCI's than that but the basic idea would be the same.
 

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Maybe I will bring up that idea to the boss Monday morning. Would definately have to add more GFCI's than that but the basic idea would be the same.
One hint: A plasma cutter.
 

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As for Manuel and Julio doing things to/at the panel they're not qualified to do, solution is simple. No power. If they want electricity, they can go get a generator.

I have no problems shutting down temp power if crap like that happens (turning on circuits they have no business turning on, or opening the panel to hard-wire a cord). I've done it before, and I'll do it again. Open the main disco and install a #3 Master padlock.

Trimming an apartment building one time, we kept having a trim carpenter just start turning on breakers until the tripped one is reset and he has power to his saw again.

I told him if he touches another breaker, he'll find two things.... no power and a broken hand. Not more than half an hour later, there he was, flipping breakers on with no regard as to what they went to. "If my saw ain't spinnin, I ain't makin' money!" he cried. I asked him how much a dead electrician makes.

So down to the main I go. Boom. Off. Locked up. Told the crew (it was 2:30), "Let's go home early today, guys!"

GC next morning was POd. I said the trim carpenter has absolutely no business turning breakers on. If he trips a breaker, he is to get ahold of me, or plug into another outlet. It's that simple. We've got guys in there grabbing these wires all day long putting is switches, receptacles, lights, etc.

Then I realized GC was mad at the trimmer, not me. Told him if it happens again, he's off the job for good.
Should have thrown him off then. Too stupid to set foot on any job site.
 

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That is one really great idea. Well done.
 

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My battle was with hard wood floor installers.
They would try to run 2 saws and 2 compressors off one circuit, which didn't work. So they made a cord pigtail by chopping off the female end of a cord, and attaching alligator clips. Hook it right to the bus of the panel, sometimes even the main lugs.
I found them with the electrical tape on the splices melting.
Of course, replacing a panel cover when they were done was out of the question.
I would confiscate these whenever I found one hooked up, and tell the GC. Had several crews banned from this builder's sites - all of them.
Finally, the builder agreed to pay for more temp outlets.
 

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Should have thrown him off then. Too stupid to set foot on any job site.
I'm just an EC. I don't have that authority to pitch someone overboard. But I do have authority over the electrical panels...
 

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I'm just an EC. I don't have that authority to pitch someone overboard. But I do have authority over the electrical panels...
You always have the ability to do as much as you are comfortable dealing with (cops/lawsuits/etc). I have only been to court once and I would do it all the same way.
 

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You always have the ability to do as much as you are comfortable dealing with (cops/lawsuits/etc). I have only been to court once and I would do it all the same way.
CCW aside, I really don't want to pull some iron out on someone while on the job site.....:no:
 

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I make custom-made covers for the panels.

An opening on the bottom allows access to the breakers.

Four circuits for 4 GFIs and a 50a 2-pole for a range recept. WP flip cover allows access to main if needed.

Whole thing is just a sheet of steel cut. Cut to the same size and the panel, so there's no overlap. Drywallers can leave it in place & rotozip around it. I don't care if they get mudded or painted on the site. It keeps other trades from removing the cardboard everyone else uses to 'keep them out'. That cardboard ain't exactly the best idea, and once someone pulls it out, it gets tossed in the dumpster.

When not in use, I just pull the breakers off the bus bars and leave them wired to the receps. Undo the grounds and noodles, then it's all ready for the next job.

These are pix of one of the first ones I made. Later 'models' incorporate a piano hinge running horizontally just above the recepts that allow me to open the top portion of the cover to expose the panel guts so I can land HRs without pulling the whole cover off.

These covers keep the panels clean of mud, paint & dust. Keeps other trades' tootsies out. And looks good and professional on the site to boot!





Those panels are beautifull!
 

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As do I. Some people are alive today solely due to the fact that it's against the law to kill them. :rolleyes:
God if that isn't gospel truth.
 

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I recently caught head framer re-wiring gfi breakers to regualar breakers in a temp service because "it wastes time when his guys drag a cord through a puddle, trip it, and have to reset it" He was using his generator after I told him to find his own power. We also have one twist-lock outlet on each temp service too, which I have a homemade adapter for so there is always a circuit for just us to use. Call me greedy I guess.
 

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I recently caught head framer re-wiring gfi breakers to regualar breakers in a temp service because "it wastes time when his guys drag a cord through a puddle, trip it, and have to reset it" He was using his generator after I told him to find his own power. We also have one twist-lock outlet on each temp service too, which I have a homemade adapter for so there is always a circuit for just us to use. Call me greedy I guess.
How tempted were you to break his fingers????
 

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I recently caught head framer re-wiring gfi breakers to regualar breakers in a temp service because "it wastes time when his guys drag a cord through a puddle, trip it, and have to reset it"

I wonder how much time would be "wasted" when someone gets electrocuted from those damaged cords.

Stupid moron. He should be immediately escorted off site.

There should be an IQ test given before ANYONE is permitted on a job site.
 

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I wonder how much time would be "wasted" when someone gets electrocuted from those damaged cords.

Stupid moron. He should be immediately escorted off site.

There should be an IQ test given before ANYONE is permitted on a job site.
You can't test them, there wouldn't be anymore English speaking hammer jockey's on site. We would be stuck with the short tanned ones that no habla. Too bad the Darwin factor didn't work at a faster rate.
 
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