[Deep Cover]

We are preparing for mandatory licensing here in WI. It was postponed once due to some quirks that needed to be worked out.

It was told to me that low volt installers would need to pull permits for their data wiring when this requirement came into law. Keep in mind that only homeowners or master electricians can pull a permit, so that would mean that these low volt companies would need to employ a master electrician.

Now, this got me to thinking...Will CATV/SatTV installers be required to be licensed by the state and pull permits for their installations?

How do areas with mandatory licensing handle this?

 

[BBQ]

Here in MA, typically cable installers work for a utility and are exempt.

As for other work we have I think we have four classes of JW licenses that can let a data installer to pull a permit for that type of work. Or a security installer to pull a permit for that etc.

 

[Deep Cover]

Follow up:

Once the lines hit the house, wouldn't the lines after that point be considered premises wiring?

 

[360max]

We are preparing for mandatory licensing here in WI. It was postponed once due to some quirks that needed to be worked out.

It was told to me that low volt installers would need to pull permits for their data wiring when this requirement came into law. Keep in mind that only homeowners or master electricians can pull a permit, so that would mean that these low volt companies would need to employ a master electrician.

Now, this got me to thinking...Will CATV/SatTV installers be required to be licensed by the state and pull permits for their installations?

How do areas with mandatory licensing handle this?

...or the companies will require their guys to get a masters license , I would .

 

[BBQ]

...or the companies will require their guys to get a masters license , I would .

:laughing:

 

[360max]

Here in MA, typically cable installers work for a utility and are exempt.

As for other work we have I think we have four classes of JW licenses that can let a data installer to pull a permit for that type of work. Or a security installer to pull a permit for that etc.

...for clarity, just because someone works for a utility does not exempt them from local licensing requirements (ie; lineman can not wire the inside of a house)

 

[Deep Cover]

...or the companies will require their guys to get a masters license , I would .

Why would a low volt company require someone get a Master's license? EC's don't even require that.

 

[BBQ]

Follow up:

Once the lines hit the house, wouldn't the lines after that point be considered premises wiring?

Maybe, but I have not seen it enforced that way in this area.

Utility workers don't pull permits or have their work inspected around here, maybe they should but that is not how it is done.

90.2(B) Not Covered. This Code does not cover the following:

(4) Installations of communications equipment under the
exclusive control of communications utilities located
outdoors or in building spaces used exclusively for
such installations

 

[BBQ]

...for clarity, just because someone works for a utility does not exempt them from local licensing requirements (ie; lineman can not wire the inside of a house)

Just for clarity please consult 90.2(B)(5). It is not as black and white as you are painting it.

A lineman could not wire a general purpose branch circuit but they could do other tasks without a permit that an EC might have to get a permit for.

 

[ecelectric]

I was in a local town the other day pulling a permit and over heard the inspector on the phone talking about comcast not having a public safety license to install there new security systems .

 

[HARRY304E]

Here in MA, typically cable installers work for a utility and are exempt.

As for other work we have I think we have four classes of JW licenses that can let a data installer to pull a permit for that type of work. Or a security installer to pull a permit for that etc.

Class A (Master Electrician), B/E (Journeyman Electrician), C (Systems Contractor), or D (Systems Technician).

Also our class A and B/E license covers the C&D license so we don't have to have them for that type of work

Also there is a Class S license for security guys who need special clearance.

 

[backstay]

We are preparing for mandatory licensing here in WI. It was postponed once due to some quirks that needed to be worked out.

It was told to me that low volt installers would need to pull permits for their data wiring when this requirement came into law. Keep in mind that only homeowners or master electricians can pull a permit, so that would mean that these low volt companies would need to employ a master electrician.

Now, this got me to thinking...Will CATV/SatTV installers be required to be licensed by the state and pull permits for their installations?

How do areas with mandatory licensing handle this?

In MN the low voltage guys pull permits on their work and don't have a "master's"

 

[Deep Cover]

Why shouldn't license holders/EC's demand that premise low volt wiring be inspected? The NEC does have a section for them, and if we have to jump thru the hoops, why should they get off easy?

Imagine if POCO's had a business model like CATV/SAT...I bet many EC's out there would highly object if NEC rules weren't applied.

 

[360max]

Why would a low volt company require someone get a Master's license? EC's don't even require that.

some states require everyone to be licensed

 

[Deep Cover]

...or the companies will require their guys to get a masters license , I would .

some states require everyone to be licensed

You are saying two entirely different things.

 

[360max]

Just for clarity please consult 90.2(B)(5). It is not as black and white as you are painting it.

A lineman could not wire a general purpose branch circuit but they could do other tasks without a permit that an EC might have to get a permit for.

there work stops on the line side of the main service breaker, for clarity of course

 

[Deep Cover]

there work stops on the line side of the main service breaker, for clarity of course

Nope, for us, we are responsible for anything after the connections from the drop.

 

[360max]

You are saying two entirely different things.

no, not at all, if you read what I was responding to.

If the state is going to require a LV company to have a master electrician hook up their wiring, if I owned a company that does primarily LV work, I would require my workers get a masters license. This would also warrant a raise for them, and increased cost of LV installs .

Some states currently require LV guys to be licensed (strictly LV system licenses)

 

[360max]

Nope, for us, we are responsible for anything after the connections from the drop.

same here in NY

 

[Hack Work]

same here in NY

Same in NJ.