[electricmanscott]

Juuuussst about burnt out. Working insane amount between the actual labor and the office work. Fighting with a loony d-bag woman customer over 1500 bucks. Stack of jobs waiting here for pricing.

To top it off and really complicate things is the 2014 NEC changes and how to figure the additional, in some cases relatively significant costs, into these jobs. The work I specialize in is about to get a whole lot more complicated and with that a whole lot more expensive. I'm really struggling on how to figure these jobs. I'm figuring for some of these kitchen remodels I'm going to have an additional $500-$1000 in code change increases. What might be the worst part of all is the sticker shock that I'm going to have to deal with and explain.

One of my GC's wants me to write something for his blog explaining the changes and the increased costs. I really have no time for it. Any links to some good explanations??

Taking two weeks off, Christmas/New years and I don't care if Thomas Edison himself calls from beyond the grave, I'm not answering.

Carry on.. :laughing:

 

[Deep Cover]

What specifically are you seeing as causing the largest cost increase?

 

[drspec]

What specifically are you seeing as causing the largest cost increase?

AFCI and GFCI protection?

 

[HARRY304E]

Juuuussst about burnt out. Working insane amount between the actual labor and the office work. Fighting with a loony d-bag woman customer over 1500 bucks. Stack of jobs waiting here for pricing.

To top it off and really complicate things is the 2014 NEC changes and how to figure the additional, in some cases relatively significant costs, into these jobs. The work I specialize in is about to get a whole lot more complicated and with that a whole lot more expensive. I'm really struggling on how to figure these jobs. I'm figuring for some of these kitchen remodels I'm going to have an additional $500-$1000 in code change increases. What might be the worst part of all is the sticker shock that I'm going to have to deal with and explain.

One of my GC's wants me to write something for his blog explaining the changes and the increased costs. I really have no time for it. Any links to some good explanations??

Taking two weeks off, Christmas/New years and I don't care if Thomas Edison himself calls from beyond the grave, I'm not answering.

Carry on.. :laughing:

As long as the mass electrical code is not available we are safe..:whistling2:

:laughing:

 

[electricmanscott]

AFCI and GFCI protection?

Bingo. Just for breakers alone in a kitchen remodel I figure 7 circuits or so, breakers sold at $65.00 is $455.00 before considering any labor to install them and deal with the inevitable issues that will come of all these AFCI breakers. How will we AFCI and GFCI a dishwasher, micro, disposal, etc in an even slightly efficient way? What to do with the three wire circuits that normally would be reused? Will the panel have room for these breakers? Many existing circuits are fed from mini/twin breakers that will have to be changed to AFCI breakers.
There are going to be some guys that get burned over the next few months. The people in my circles are taking out permits now for jobs that are months away to avoid all of this for as long as possible.




And so on and so forth and what have you

 

[electricmanscott]

As long as the mass electrical code is not available we are safe..:whistling2:

:laughing:

Is it NOT available? I'm pretty sure I have it already.

 

[HARRY304E]

Is it NOT available? I'm pretty sure I have it already.

Do you have the paper book with the amendments in it?

 

[electricmanscott]

Do you have the paper book with the amendments in it?

I don't. I have a link to the amendments somewhere. I forgot to look for a book at the MECA tradeshow. I'll call them tomorrow and see what's up.

 

[HARRY304E]

I don't. I have a link to the amendments somewhere. I forgot to look for a book at the MECA tradeshow. I'll call them tomorrow and see what's up.

I hope they give us a few months before the enforcement .

You're right about the panels let's hope they redesign them so we don't look like fools.

 

[wendon]

Bingo. Just for breakers alone in a kitchen remodel I figure 7 circuits or so, breakers sold at $65.00 is $455.00 before considering any labor to install them and deal with the inevitable issues that will come of all these AFCI breakers. How will we AFCI and GFCI a dishwasher, micro, disposal, etc in an even slightly efficient way? What to do with the three wire circuits that normally would be reused? Will the panel have room for these breakers? Many existing circuits are fed from mini/twin breakers that will have to be changed to AFCI breakers.
There are going to be some guys that get burned over the next few months. The people in my circles are taking out permits now for jobs that are months away to avoid all of this for as long as possible.




And so on and so forth and what have you

Install a new QO panel with PO neutral.

 

[papaotis]

Bingo. Just for breakers alone in a kitchen remodel I figure 7 circuits or so, breakers sold at $65.00 is $455.00 before considering any labor to install them and deal with the inevitable issues that will come of all these AFCI breakers. How will we AFCI and GFCI a dishwasher, micro, disposal, etc in an even slightly efficient way? What to do with the three wire circuits that normally would be reused? Will the panel have room for these breakers? Many existing circuits are fed from mini/twin breakers that will have to be changed to AFCI breakers.
There are going to be some guys that get burned over the next few months. The people in my circles are taking out permits now for jobs that are months away to avoid all of this for as long as possible.




And so on and so forth and what have you

eventually i will probly quote something close to the same thing in most threads, when will the mfgs catch up to the code, or vica versa?

 

[TOOL_5150]

Install a new QO panel with PO neutral.

Trust me, you dont want a pissed off neutral... :brows:

 

[chicken steve]

How will we AFCI and GFCI a dishwasher, micro, disposal, etc in an even slightly efficient way?

breaker /device

What to do with the three wire circuits that normally would be reused?

they become two wire, or find a 2p afci

Will the panel have room for these breakers?

yes, but forget the usual herringbone appearance of conductors

Many existing circuits are fed from mini/twin breakers that will have to be changed to AFCI breakers.

subpanel....

~CS~

 

[I_get_shocked]

I was banking on the MEC amending most of that nonsense. Boo

 

[chicken steve]

There's a good $$$ in nonsense....

~CS~

 

[electricmanscott]

breaker /device


they become two wire, or find a 2p afci


yes, but forget the usual herringbone appearance of conductors


subpanel....

~CS~

Ahhh, you make it sound so simple! :no: