Need some advice.

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ElectricJoeNJ

Discussion Starter · Oct 24, 2013

Ok. So quick background on my situation. Back in July I get contacted by a builder doing a generator and wants an estimate for the electric. I give him an estimate and its approved, we sign a contract and get the paperwork in for the permits, and the homeowner orders the generator. I get a deposit and once the permit is back I start the work. Deposit was for roughly 40% of the job. This is where things go south. I've been 100% done with the project since July 31st, the builder failed his gas inspection and failed because the gen was too close to the house, this was on August 5th. On August 8th, I disconnect the electric to the gen so he can move the unit. At this point I tell the homeowner I will be back after everything is done and the plumbing is passed and hooked up, he said ok that's fine. So, up until 2 days ago I've been getting the run around from the builder. Turns out the homeowner sent him a letter on October 8th demanding his deposit back by 10/31 or he's gonna sue. He also hired new contractors to finish the job. I get a call today from the town telling me that the final inspection is tomorrow. WTF. They never did a contractor change. And finished the work under my name. How would u proceed

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HackWork

· #21 · Oct 24, 2013

I'm curious about the outcome of this so keep us posted.

If you haven't called the DCA already, try this:

(609) 984-7609.
Robert Austin
Code Assistance Unit

I think he may have taken over for Suzanne?

robnj772

· #22 · Oct 24, 2013

hangle said:
A mechanics lien is placed on the property where the work was performed. It is different than a lawsuit against the builder. Placing a lien on the property most times will encourage the property owner to contact the builder and recommend he get you paid to avoid further litigation.

Yea that doesn't work here.

You must have the lein in place prior to your invoice hitting the 90 day mark.

It takes about 70 days to get a lein.

So if someone doesn't pay you in 20 days and you haven't already filed to lien, you are too late.

robnj772

· #23 · Oct 24, 2013

ElectricJoeNJ said:
What's a mechanics lien and how does it work. Can i do that if my contracts was with the builder, should I sue the builder?

Don't bother you are too late

robnj772

· #24 · Oct 24, 2013

HackWork said:
I'm curious about the outcome of this so keep us posted. If you haven't called the DCA already, try this: I think he may have taken over for Suzanne?

That isn't going to help him.

The op needs to type up a letter on his letter head.

I joe blow electric and no longer responsible for inspections or permits at 123 deadbeat ave lot 1 block 69. Permit number 1234

The homeowner has hired someone else to complete my work. This person is now attempting to complete the work under my permit, a change of contractor has not be flied.

I job blow electric am requesting that a stop work order be issued for above addressed location until a permit can be re issued.

Don't sign it until you get to the construction office,it has to be notarized, any person in the construction office has to notarize it.

If they do not accept that and attempt to proceed with an inspection I would call the board of electrical contractors

FWIW rob Austin is a clueless tool! he is the one who was behind the infamous! the flooded wire can remain in place letter that he never signed

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ElectricJoeNJ

Discussion Starter · #25 · Oct 25, 2013

Contacted the DCA this morning and they said to write a letter as Rob mentioned. So I wrote a letter and will be dropping it off tomorrow.

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robnj772

· #26 · Oct 25, 2013

ElectricJoeNJ said:
Contacted the DCA this morning and they said to write a letter as Rob mentioned. So I wrote a letter and will be dropping it off tomorrow.

Been there, done that.

I had a nut bag over the Sumer, sandy rewire. Guy took down all his Sheetrock on the first floor. We did a rewire and added recessed and ceiling fans.

Started the job in December. Calls me for a finish in febuary, we roll over there, there is no Sheetrock or insulation....wtf?

Plus there is all kinds of changes, they moved walls, moved plumbing fixtures, installed 2 zones of hvac

Call the guy,he gets nasty, does not understand why we can't just finish. I give him a price for the extra work, he goes for it, ask about permits for the other trades, he tells me that they don't need permits... Um ok pal but when I get this inspected your gonna to get caught... He replies I need this house for the summer

Now it's May, he emails me, I'm ready to finish, they are installing my kitchen appliances on Friday. Well listen I'm super busy now. I need three weeks before I can get there.

Out of curiosity I go over and look, still no Sheetrock and now an entire kitchen's worth of cabinets are stacked in the house.

Now he gets really pissed... At me. Listen I paid you to Install my breakers and devices go put them. Me... But it's not sheet rocked AND you paid me for the rough, you still owe me a trim deposit and a final payment... Him no I paid you to put them in.....me no you didn't, take a look at our contract..

Next day his lawyer calls me, if you don't go finish the job you were paid in full we will take legal action... I said " is this a f---ing joke? Am I being " punked" on MTV?

I explain my side to his lawyer and he says ummmm errr oh ahhhhhh well I think I have to call my client back and see about this.

Homeowner calls me, I am terminating your services and finding someone else.

Sounds good to me you lunatic, I went a wrote the letter like stated above, plus turned him in for the extra work. To this day there still is a big red stop work order on his front door, no work has been done since this went down in may.

Enjoy your summer in your summer house on the jersey shore jerkwad.........:lol:

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Celtic

· #27 · Oct 26, 2013

If work was performed non-permitted under your licenses/permit...contact the Board...

Board of Examiners of Electrical Contractors

Welcome to the Web site of the Board of Examiners of Electrical Contractors.

This board licenses and regulates electrical contractors; registers qualified journeyman electricians; and is responsible for granting exemptions from licensure to persons or businesses engaged in telecommunications wiring in New Jersey. Inquiries or complaints about electrical contractors can be forwarded to:
Mr. David Freed,
Acting Executive Director,
Board of Examiners of Electrical Contractors,
P.O. Box 45006, Newark, N.J. 07101,
(973) 504-6410
or via email.

http://www.njconsumeraffairs.gov/electric/

The EI may have had that inspection already scheduled to be performed...it may have been his opportunity to "catch someone in the act".

Any idea if the job passed or not?

gold

· #28 · Oct 26, 2013

Go talk to the ****, tell them you wanted to talk before you filed charges for theft by deception.

ElectricJoeNJ

Discussion Starter · #29 · Oct 26, 2013

Celtic said:
If work was performed non-permitted under your licenses/permit...contact the Board...
http://www.njconsumeraffairs.gov/electric/

The EI may have had that inspection already scheduled to be performed...it may have been his opportunity to "catch someone in the act".

Any idea if the job passed or not?

Called the EI on Friday but had to leave a message. Hopefully will get a call back on Monday.

ElectricJoeNJ

Discussion Starter · #30 · Oct 26, 2013

Goldagain said:
Go talk to the ****, tell them you wanted to talk before you filed charges for theft by deception.

Homeowner won't answer my calls nor return my messages.

denny3992

· #31 · Oct 26, 2013

ElectricJoeNJ said:
Called the EI on Friday but had to leave a message. Hopefully will get a call back on Monday.

Ha.... Call back from inspector, good luck with that

ElectricJoeNJ

Discussion Starter · #32 · Oct 26, 2013

denny3992 said:
Ha.... Call back from inspector, good luck with that

Some of them actually do call you back. He's one of them.

sbrn33

· #33 · Oct 26, 2013

robnj772 said:
Been there, done that.

I had a nut bag over the Sumer, sandy rewire. Guy took down all his Sheetrock on the first floor. We did a rewire and added recessed and ceiling fans.

Started the job in December. Calls me for a finish in febuary, we roll over there, there is no Sheetrock or insulation....wtf?

Plus there is all kinds of changes, they moved walls, moved plumbing fixtures, installed 2 zones of hvac

Call the guy,he gets nasty, does not understand why we can't just finish. I give him a price for the extra work, he goes for it, ask about permits for the other trades, he tells me that they don't need permits... Um ok pal but when I get this inspected your gonna to get caught... He replies I need this house for the summer

Now it's May, he emails me, I'm ready to finish, they are installing my kitchen appliances on Friday. Well listen I'm super busy now. I need three weeks before I can get there.

Out of curiosity I go over and look, still no Sheetrock and now an entire kitchen's worth of cabinets are stacked in the house.

Now he gets really pissed... At me. Listen I paid you to Install my breakers and devices go put them. Me... But it's not sheet rocked AND you paid me for the rough, you still owe me a trim deposit and a final payment... Him no I paid you to put them in.....me no you didn't, take a look at our contract..

Next day his lawyer calls me, if you don't go finish the job you were paid in full we will take legal action... I said " is this a f---ing joke? Am I being " punked" on MTV?

I explain my side to his lawyer and he says ummmm errr oh ahhhhhh well I think I have to call my client back and see about this.

Homeowner calls me, I am terminating your services and finding someone else.

Sounds good to me you lunatic, I went a wrote the letter like stated above, plus turned him in for the extra work. To this day there still is a big red stop work order on his front door, no work has been done since this went down in may.

Enjoy your summer in your summer house on the jersey shore jerkwad.........:lol:

Rob, I see no problem with this juerk. I would have deviced it, put in four squares where necessary and received my final.

denny3992

· #34 · Oct 26, 2013

ElectricJoeNJ said:
Some of them actually do call you back. He's one of them.

Lucky u

Celtic

· #35 · Oct 26, 2013

denny3992 said:
Ha.... Call back from inspector, good luck with that

I have gotten a callback from every EI that I have left a message for....it's really not that unusual .

robnj772

· #36 · Oct 26, 2013

Celtic said:
I have gotten a callback from every EI that I have left a message for....it's really not that unusual .

Yea I even have the four ones I mainly deal withs personal cell numbers.

One guy calls me on my cell when he gets to my jobs and has any questions or he just calls to let me know we passed.

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robnj772

· #37 · Oct 26, 2013

sbrn33 said:
Rob, I see no problem with this juerk. I would have deviced it, put in four squares where necessary and received my final.

If I was slow MAYBe but these days I have no time for that crap.

I got ten guys working six days a week, we aren't accepting any new customers, even when they beg.

It will be a good 2-3 years till I have to put up with crap like that again.

Hopefully another hurricane comes thru again soon, I know my house is good up to a cat 3..... :lol:

ElectricJoeNJ

Discussion Starter · #38 · Oct 26, 2013

robnj772 said:
If I was slow MAYBe but these days I have no time for that crap.

I got ten guys working six days a week, we aren't accepting any new customers, even when they beg.

It will be a good 2-3 years till I have to put up with crap like that again.

Hopefully another hurricane comes thru again soon, I know my house is good up to a cat 3..... :lol:

Hiring?

bml215

· #39 · Oct 26, 2013

If you need another 2 man crew I'm available if your in south nj

stars13bars2

· #40 · Oct 26, 2013

Unless the contract specifically states that only you or your company can do the work,I would send the contractor a bill once it is inspected and passed . Then the next day I would file a lien. I have seen stranger things work in a court of law. The homeowner will have to pay if the lien is validated even if he has already paid someone else.

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