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Anybody dealt with an inspection where the new 2008 AFCI requirement is in force? Say, on an old house, partial rewire?

How are the inspectors dealing with the sort-of broad scope of the 2008 code requirement, especially where semi-dedicated circuits such as circuit for dishwasher/garbage disposal; circuit for refrigerator; and circuit for furnace?
 

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Thankfully, AFCI protection is not required for circuits serving kitchens, bathrooms, garages, laundry rooms, unfinished basement and attic spaces or outdoor areas, such as porches, patios and decks.
 

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It's only on new circuits that AHJ are requiring the Arc-faults. I just finished a old house and it is only on new circuits that they are requiring the arc-faults.
 

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Afci's

Check with local AHJ because a lot of us West Coasters are only enforcing 2005 when it comes to AFCI protection. I would be concerned with a furnace on an AFCI because of nuisance tripping.;)
 

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Check with local AHJ because a lot of us West Coasters are only enforcing 2005 when it comes to AFCI protection. I would be concerned with a furnace on an AFCI because of nuisance tripping.;)
A furnace doesn't require AFCI protection.
The AFCI is also supposed to differentiate(SP) between normal arcing a relay or switch makes and fault arcing. I was reading on them yesterday since a new project we are working on will require an additional $4,000.00 for AFCI's.
 

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Most houses we do are 400-800A services, with 2-4 sub-panels and 2 oustside panels. It'll be at least another $2k-$4k for every house. Even on small houses it'll be another $700 or $800. Add to that the fancy weather resistant receptacles and the tamper proof receptacles and all the other BS, and they're pricing people out of buying a house.
 

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Most houses we do are 400-800A services, with 2-4 sub-panels and 2 oustside panels. It'll be at least another $2k-$4k for every house. Even on small houses it'll be another $700 or $800. Add to that the fancy weather resistant receptacles and the tamper proof receptacles and all the other BS, and they're pricing people out of buying a house.
$800 certainly won't price anyone out of buying a home, however they may have to cut back on all of the fancy extras. And the way that I look at it is, better that $800 in my pocket than the carpenter's.
 

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Here in upstate NY we just went from 1999 nec to 2002 residential and 2005 commercial. One AHJ said arc-fault for new branch circuits in bed rooms, but on service upgrades we don't have to do it. Anthor city AHJ did not know what I was talking about. For a Service Upgrade or new service around here we have to bond the load side of the natural gas meter, water pipe and ground rod back to the panel, I was told soon we may be bonding the duct work off the furance too.
 

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It's only on new circuits that AHJ are requiring the Arc-faults. I just finished a old house and it is only on new circuits that they are requiring the arc-faults.
How do you handle a new circuit requiring AFCI when none are available for the existing panel? My state is still hashing out whether to adopt them in this code cycle or not. Up to now, they haven't been required.
 

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How do you handle a new circuit requiring AFCI when none are available for the existing panel? My state is still hashing out whether to adopt them in this code cycle or not. Up to now, they haven't been required.
At that point you add a small sub-panel and add the arc-fault breakers to that...Or reccomend a panel change.
If they didn't adopt it then it will exclude the section in your state ammendments. If they do not specificly exclude them then they ARE code. Doesn't mean you will be enforced to use them though by the AHJ
 

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We did a service change and upgrade. Any new circuit we add will have to have arc-fault CB and tamper proof recep. I just finished another job and when I bid it I told HO that it would require arc-faults and TP recep. and he was fine with that and thought it was a good idea.
 

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Thanks.
It's good to know what areas have adopted these requirements and who has amendments to them.
 

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Any info on tamper proof recepts?
 

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They look like normal recepts., but you can't stick anything (screwdriver etc.) into only one side. It will only accept a plug.
 
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