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Local 3 just agreed to a new A journeyman rate for a total package of. $65.00 $30.00 less then it's neighboring county of Westchester.
I believe this may encourage some open shops to go union.
Those non union who engage in work funded by the taxpayers have already discovered how to compete.
 

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You think that's harsh? Wait till you are laid off because you can't speak the language of the CW/CE "market recovery" workers hired to replace you. That's harsh. Wait till you hit the road to feed your family only to find you missed the call on book 2 because a double booker got it instead. That's harsh. Wait till you travel 600 miles to man work on a walk thru only to be spun by a contractor you have never worked for, with no explanation. That's harsh.
 

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And when that happens I am sure you will enjoy the race to the bottom. :thumbup:
Sing it ,Kenny G!!! Rewire will be the first one crying he can't make any money while at the same time promoting the demise of Blue Collar America. Just remember this Rewire, a nation of consumers with low paying jobs cannot sustain itself. Corporations that pay their CEOs millions annually while complaining about raising the minimum wage are cutting their noses off to spite their faces. How do you look in the mirror every morning when you wake up? Still got a nose ?
 

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I agree it's a bleak outlook for unions in Canada/US.. they are definitely going the way of the dodo bird.

And I also agree.. that's going to be slow and painful race to the bottom. The only people who will be okay will be people from impoverished countries, as globalization brings them jobs and incomes, and new immigrants to our countries who can live on nothing and work for nothing and still get ahead. The rest of us are in for a shock.. I think we're starting to feel that already.
 

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Sing it ,Kenny G!!! Rewire will be the first one crying he can't make any money while at the same time promoting the demise of Blue Collar America. Just remember this Rewire, a nation of consumers with low paying jobs cannot sustain itself. Corporations that pay their CEOs millions annually while complaining about raising the minimum wage are cutting their noses off to spite their faces. How do you look in the mirror every morning when you wake up? Still got a nose ?
Amazing how union members believe that their very very small part of the market somehow affects the remaining market:no: Do you really believe without the unions wages will drop? Evil CEOs how dare they earn money for making their company profitable. Sounds like a bunch of liberal clap trap wealth redistribution nonsense. Here is a question for you when was the last time any union did something that affects the working people that was not about wages?
 

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Amazing how union members believe that their very very small part of the market somehow affects the remaining market:no: Do you really believe without the unions wages will drop? Evil CEOs how dare they earn money for making their company profitable. Sounds like a bunch of liberal clap trap wealth redistribution nonsense. Here is a question for you when was the last time any union did something that affects the working people that was not about wages?
It is okay if you want to live in a bubble and believe that if the union market share went away that wouldn't affect the rest of the electrical market.

Do you think all those union contractors would not bid on work they currently do not bid on if they became non union? Do you think they wouldn't try to undercut you and in return you would have to bid less to get jobs?

To answer your last question the union sets the standard for job safety, pensions,(i bet you don't provide your employees a pension), and healthcare.

Finally, there is nothing wrong with a company being profitable. Union members just want share the success they helped make possible.
 

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Unions definitely increase wages and benefits for employees and hold employers accountable, that's why big corporations have been working hard to rid themselves of this scourge.



I'm not union and have never worked a union job in my life.. but I'm not so dumb to think union rates don't prop up all other non-union rates of the industry. Union is a form of socialism, it brings the low end up and brings the high end down. As the unions go, we will see continued disparities between the ultra rich and the ultra poor, with the middle class (union type work) being eliminated.

Prepare for the new economy if you haven't already joined it.
 

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It is okay if you want to live in a bubble and believe that if the union market share went away that wouldn't affect the rest of the electrical market.
I think you are in the bubble We have no big union presence so unless we saw it on the news we would never know the union was gone
Do you think all those union contractors would not bid on work they currently do not bid on if they became non union? Do you think they wouldn't try to undercut you and in return you would have to bid less to get jobs?
Why do you think bidding is all about undercutting the next guy? The small number of union contractors coming to bid would not even blip the radar. A contractor is a contractor first and foremost so they will bid for profit of course or is a contractor making a profit is a bad thing in union circles.
To answer your last question the union sets the standard for job safety, pensions,(i bet you don't provide your employees a pension), and healthcare.
Pensions and health care were offered long before the unions but they did expand it but that is history ,what have they done lately aside from bankrupting companies and cities.
Finally, there is nothing wrong with a company being profitable. Union members just want share the success they helped make possible.
Compensation should be based on merit in any organization you will have great workers and not so great workers and the great worker should merit more in wages but the union believes the socialist method is best and thinks everyone should get the same. When everyone makes the same wage what is the motivation to excel in the union. We cannot be equally
fast but we can be equally slow.
 

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I think you are in the bubble We have no big union presence so unless we saw it on the news we would never know the union was gone
For a guy who thinks unions have no impact you sure do want them to die.



Why do you think bidding is all about undercutting the next guy? The small number of union contractors coming to bid would not even blip the radar. A contractor is a contractor first and foremost so they will bid for profit of course or is a contractor making a profit is a bad thing in union circles.
So bidding is not about undercutting the next guy?:001_huh: Do all you non union shops have secret deals where you will not undercut each other but only union shops?

Pensions and health care were offered long before the unions but they did expand it but that is history ,what have they done lately aside from bankrupting companies and cities.
If a company or city goes bankrupt it is easy to blame unions because they will always be the scapegoat. Never mind the fact that management and ownership will never take the blame even though they are the ones calling the shots.

What about companies that go bankrupt that are not even union? Who do you blame? Unions? Oh right it is the governments fault because you have to follow OSHA or some other "ridiculous" regulation.

Compensation should be based on merit in any organization you will have great workers and not so great workers and the great worker should merit more in wages but the union believes the socialist method is best and thinks everyone should get the same. When everyone makes the same wage what is the motivation to excel in the union. We cannot be equally
fast but we can be equally slow.
I bet you hold that carrot and stick in front of your employees always telling them if they just do a little more they will get a raise, but you will never give them one of course.

Also, great workers do merit more in wages that is why they go work union.:thumbup:
 

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Amazing how union members believe that their very very small part of the market somehow affects the remaining market:no: Do you really believe without the unions wages will drop? Evil CEOs how dare they earn money for making their company profitable. Sounds like a bunch of liberal clap trap wealth redistribution nonsense. Here is a question for you when was the last time any union did something that affects the working people that was not about wages?
1-I sincerely believe without Unions, wages will drop. The Federal government takes wage polls of different trades on various jobs and uses that info to establish a prevailing wage for the area. They then require employers to pay that wage on large jobs that receive federal funding. The only exception is for employees in a training program recognized by the US Dept of Labor. Therefore, as an example, any electrician on said job that is not going through an approved apprenticeship is required to be paid the prevailing wage, even if they are not in a labor union. The NJATC is not the only recognized program. ABC and IEC both operate approved programs. Do you pay for your employees to attend any of these programs? Take into consideration, a safe and well trained employee is a key to business success. 2-CEOs are a vital part of a large business, but they are a gear in the machine. Every employee serves a specific purpose that makes a company profitable, if all parts are moving together in harmony. To reward the top tier for enacting " cost saving " measures such as wage freezes or reductions and slashing benefits to lower tier employees is grossly unfair to a majority of the lower compensated, but still necessary components of the machine. These tactics simply pad the numbers to show profitability on paper, but take a devastating toll on the lower tier employees and their families. Why doesn't everyone involved in the business deserve affordable healthcare and a chance at a comfortable retirement? 3- Thanks to Union activism during the industrial revolution, we now have a 40 hour work week, child labor laws, and established educational opportunities for skilled trades persons. Currently, The Unions of America (and other countries) looks to improve fiscal conditions of its members, which ultimately benefits non-members too, because money is the only thing big businessmen seem to covet. Everything else appears to be an afterthought, or worse, not important at all to them. Are your employees important to you? If so, what have you done to help better their lives? I'll bet the work they do has helped you advance.
 

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For a guy who thinks unions have no impact you sure do want them to die.
I do not wish for their demise but am simply pointing out it's inevitability.



So bidding is not about undercutting the next guy?:001_huh: Do all you non union shops have secret deals where you will not undercut each other but only union shops?
you really need to take some business courses before you comment. Those who have your level of knowledge base their business model on undercutting the next guy don't last very long.


If a company or city goes bankrupt it is easy to blame unions because they will always be the scapegoat. Never mind the fact that management and ownership will never take the blame even though they are the ones calling the shots.
And union refusals to make any concessions had nothing to do with it:whistling2:
What about companies that go bankrupt that are not even union? Who do you blame? Unions? Oh right it is the governments fault because you have to follow OSHA or some other "ridiculous" regulation.
Seriously no body blames OSHA but start a business and see what government regulations you will need to comply with, I have to have every employee fill out an I-9 and you know what I have to do with that form? I have to put it in a file cabinet,now lets talk "ridiculous".

I bet you hold that carrot and stick in front of your employees always telling them if they just do a little more they will get a raise, but you will never give them one of course.
We pay a spif for performance and our people earn it. I base raises on wages as a percentage of gross when we are below our target percentage the I can afford raises.
Also, great workers do merit more in wages that is why they go work union.:thumbup:
Next big job you are on find the slowest worker and shake his hand because he is making the same as you.:laughing:
 
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