Where you been Caustic one? we;ve had the trucks stocked with TP's & WP's for 3 years now :whistling2:~CS~
New "Regulation"?
As far as these mandatory tamper resistant receptacles...
I say the NFPA should supply us with a document, in contract form, that we can supply to the customer stating that it is their choice to have TRR's installed, or not, and the cost difference which would be the contractors discretion.
Then they can sign it, and that's that.
Should be the same for seat belt and helmet laws for insurance companies,
which is what the NFPA is anyway.
I say the NFPA should supply us with a document, in contract form, that we can supply to the customer stating that it is their choice to have TRR's installed, or not, and the cost difference which would be the contractors discretion.
Then they can sign it, and that's that.
Should be the same for seat belt and helmet laws for insurance companies,
which is what the NFPA is anyway.
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I don't think that the client will be interested,,these receptacles have been in the code since 2005 and they're not going away.As far as these mandatory tamper resistant receptacles...
I say the NFPA should supply us with a document, in contract form, that we can supply to the customer stating that it is their choice to have TRR's installed, or not, and the cost difference which would be the contractors discretion.
Then they can sign it, and that's that.
Should be the same for seat belt and helmet laws for insurance companies,
which is what the NFPA is anyway.
As for the cost,,,Raise your prices and you'll be fine.
Tamper resistant receptacles make sense, what seems stupid to me is the " weather-resistant type" that is required to be installed in a "weatherproof" enclosure".
Makes as much sense as "Raceways on exteriors of buildings or other structures shall be arranged to drain and shall be raintight in wet locations." If we want these raceways to drain why do we care if they are "raintight"? :blink:
Makes as much sense as "Raceways on exteriors of buildings or other structures shall be arranged to drain and shall be raintight in wet locations." If we want these raceways to drain why do we care if they are "raintight"? :blink:
The difference in cost is peanuts. If your margins are that tight you're doing it wrong.
:laughing:As far as these mandatory tamper resistant receptacles...
I say the NFPA should supply us with a document, in contract form, that we can supply to the customer stating that it is their choice to have TRR's installed, or not, and the cost difference which would be the contractors discretion.
Then they can sign it, and that's that.
Should be the same for seat belt and helmet laws for insurance companies,
which is what the NFPA is anyway.
Condensation....Tamper resistant receptacles make sense, what seems stupid to me is the " weather-resistant type" that is required to be installed in a "weatherproof" enclosure".
Makes as much sense as "Raceways on exteriors of buildings or other structures shall be arranged to drain and shall be raintight in wet locations." If we want these raceways to drain why do we care if they are "raintight"? :blink:
That doesn't answer the question. If we know there will be moisture in the raceway why do we care if it's "raintight"? The conductors will be of a type listed for "Wet Locations" anyways.Condensation....
Until the 2008 we could use FMC in wet locations as long as "W" type conductors were used. This made sense
Since they have been required the price is no different than what the old ones used to cost and if they are more it's not enough to notice. We buy them in bulk and I don't think they are more than .75 each. On a service call we charge $5 per switch and receptacle changed out.As far as these mandatory tamper resistant receptacles...
I say the NFPA should supply us with a document, in contract form, that we can supply to the customer stating that it is their choice to have TRR's installed, or not, and the cost difference which would be the contractors discretion.
Then they can sign it, and that's that.
Should be the same for seat belt and helmet laws for insurance companies,
which is what the NFPA is anyway.
Same reason why when we install outdoor light fixtures and receptacles if we seal it up we only seal it up on the top and sides in case water gets in there it can go somewhere instead of being sealed in. If you were to seal all the way around and it fails at the top the water has nowhere to go but inside. Unless you are pressurizing that rain tight conduit moisture will get in there and needs a place to go instead of building up inside the lowest point of the run.That doesn't answer the question. If we know there will be moisture in the raceway why do we care if it's "raintight"? The conductors will be of a type listed for "Wet Locations" anyways.
Until the 2008 we could use FMC in wet locations as long as "W" type conductors were used. This made sense
Well, I became a Project Manager for 10 years and went back in the field not too long ago.Where you been Caustic one? we;ve had the trucks stocked with TP's & WP's for 3 years now :whistling2:~CS~
The whole TR and AFCI thing is something I needed to update myself on.
We all grew up with normal outlets all around us. Any of you die back then?
I think it should be a choice, like seat belts and helmets.
Wake up America!
(Hehe)
Choice is yours here in NY fines for no seatbelt is a decent fine 150 or more usually. It's your liability insurance the choice to use them is yours I guess. I wouldn't want to get caught in a lawsuit if some kid got hurt and I did not use them.Well, I became a Project Manager for 10 years and went back in the field not too long ago.
The whole TR and AFCI thing is something I needed to update myself on.
We all grew up with normal outlets all around us. Any of you die back then?
I think it should be a choice, like seat belts and helmets.
Wake up America!
(Hehe)
You guys are missing the point I'm making.Unless you are pressurizing that rain tight conduit moisture will get in there and needs a place to go instead of building up inside the lowest point of the run.
We all know that water / moisture is going to get in outside installtions, which is the reason for arrainging these installations to "drain" and using Wet Location Conductors. With that being the case, why do we care if rainwater gets in a raceway that already has water in it?
Do you need a Hot Water Heater if you have a Water Heater?
The reason for the TRs is something like 7000 trips to ERs each year due to sticking things in the outlets.We all grew up with normal outlets all around us. Any of you die back then?
I think it should be a choice, like seat belts and helmets.
Wake up America!
(Hehe)
It is a good rule and easy to comply with
You guys are missing the point I'm making.
We all know that water / moisture is going to get in outside installtions, which is the reason for arrainging these installations to "drain" and using Wet Location Conductors. With that being the case, why do we care if rainwater gets in a raceway that already has water in it?
You said it yourself, we already have to use type W wire in these outdoor locations, you seem to understand that so why not a type W device?
Are you saying you never find rotted out devices in outdoor locations?
Not when they have ben arrainged to drain.Are you saying you never find rotted out devices in outdoor locations?
Well I find them arraigned to drain or not.Not when they have ben arrainged to drain.
hope 5 bucks is not for material and labor charge.Since they have been required the price is no different than what the old ones used to cost and if they are more it's not enough to notice. We buy them in bulk and I don't think they are more than .75 each. On a service call we charge $5 per switch and receptacle changed out.
5 per receptacle and switch 25 per GFCI. That is on top of our service call rate.
you're worth more than that bro. talk to Harry and look into the flat rate system he uses so you can make some good money. just my 2 cents5 per receptacle and switch 25 per GFCI. That is on top of our service call rate.
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