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Thought I would put a post up on a issue with the OCOT... surprized I know...

Went to renew my ECRA and got a call from the ESA saying that my CofQ on file and the OCOT record are different numbers.

The ministry de-certified the 309D a while ago and lumped all of us into the 309A with different certificate numbers. These numbers are also connected to your master certificate if you have one. I expect there will be a hassle when that comes up too.

Anyway, just thought I would put it out there for the old 309D guy from Ontario... you may have an issue if you are a Master or an EC wanting to renew.

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Just to add if you did not know...

“Volume II said:
Important update for Electricians holding 309D licenses

In 1996 the industry committees for the industrial and construction electrical trades jointly decided to review the scope of their trades. Their decision was that competencies related to Electronic Controls were incorporated into the Industrial Electrician and the Construction and Maintenance Electrician and Domestic and Rural Electrician. A common core curriculum was implemented.

The result was that all electricians certified post-1996 in Industrial Electrician and Construction and Maintenance Electrician and Domestic and Rural Electrician are considered to have been trained and certified in this broader scope of practice including electronic controls.

The new legislation governing trade certification, the Ontario College of Trades and Apprenticeship Act, 2009 (OCTAA), recognizes all current trades. In the electrical sector these are:
* Industrial Electrician 442A
* Construction and Maintenance Electrician 309A
* Domestic and Rural Electrician 309C

All holders of certificates in these trades are considered certified in electronic controls. There is no longer a need to hold a separate certificate for electronic controls. Since the electrician trades are designated as compulsory trades, as of April 8th, all journeypersons working in one of the electrician trades had to hold a valid certificate in a trade designated under the new Act.

In order to ensure that all journeypersons practicing the electrician trades were fully in compliance with the legal requirements of the new Act, the Ministry of Training, Colleges and Universities (MTCU) decided to reissue to all holders of a 309D the original Certificate of Qualification in the electrician trade in which they had been originally trained and certified (i.e. 309A or 309C) Not to do so would have placed these journeypersons in jeopardy of not being able to legally work in their trade as of April 8th.

The College is also looking at finding a solution to recognize these changes on its public register.
I never did get reissued with a 309A CofQ...

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Just to follow-up on this. I received my new "CofQ" today about 4 or 5 days after my original CofQ expired...

Has anybody seen these yet? Pretty "kindergarten" to me...

It is printed on 8.5" paper, no embossed seal and only good for one year.

If anybody needs one I will print them up for you in about 5 minutes...

Having said that, it does come with a fancy wallet card that has a QR code on the back which is not linked to anything... and a little hologram looking thing on the front...

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Just to follow-up on this. I received my new "CofQ" today about 4 or 5 days after my original CofQ expired... Has anybody seen these yet? Pretty "kindergarten" to me... It is printed on 8.5" paper, no embossed seal and only good for one year. If anybody needs one I will print them up for you in about 5 minutes... Having said that, it does come with a fancy wallet card that has a QR code on the back which is not linked to anything... and a little hologram looking thing on the front... Cheers John
Did you notice the card has neither an effective date or expiration date? Pretty damned lame for what we have to pay each year.
 

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Did you notice the card has neither an effective date or expiration date? Pretty damned lame for what we have to pay each year.
Funny thing is, that the rest of Canada is laughing at Ontario for it right now. They don't seem to see that it's going to happen to the rest of Canada as well.:thumbsup:
 

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How the hell can a c.of q. expire.You are given that when you successfully complete your apprenticeship and are entitled to hold on to that.You earned it.No one can take that away from you so there should be no expiry on it.How did Ontario electricians not go done fighting those changes anyways.
 

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Funny thing is, that the rest of Canada is laughing at Ontario for it right now. They don't seem to see that it's going to happen to the rest of Canada as well.:thumbsup:
Na. Alberta Electricians are smarter than that. This stupid Ontario stuff. Keep it.
 

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Thanks for the " heads up".

Personally I think it's BS that the old 309D's are losing their recognition. Back 25 years ago, those who chose to take the 4th optional trade school course should be able to retain their status.

Also, the OCOT wallet cards are "mickey mouse". With no expiry date, it just means that they can have you re-use the existing plastic card while while they save money in the fabrication of them.
 
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