[480sparky]

This is the new service on a K&T rewire we recently completed and recently passed inspection. NM enters the box below the panel from the crawl space under the house, then transitions to THWN-2 at the box to the panel.

Yes, those two LFNMC's are less than 24".


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Personally, I'd never put a plastic box that low to the ground. It would be busted up by lawn mowers. *


*Disclaimer: I am not demanding NO ONE should ever do this. I am not implying this should never be done. You are free to do as you wish. This is just my personal judgement about the installation. I am also NOT saying EVERY box installed like this WILL be damaged. It well could last for years, decades even. I am not calling you a hack. In no way, shape or form am I saying that this is a sub-standard installation. It complies with the NEC, I will readily admit that. I'm not going to come over to your job site, hold a gun to your head and demand you do something different. It's your job, so you're free to do as you see fit (so long as you are happy, the customer is happy, and the inspector is happy). No skin off my nose. I will sleep well tonight no matter what happens to this box. I really don't care whether it lasts or not, but this is simply due to the fact that my name is not on the installation. It's just that I would rather not have to deal with the possibility that I would have to come back in 3 weeks to replace the box, or somehow redesign the installation to prevent mowers from ripping PVC boxes off the side of the customer's house. All I'm trying to say is sometimes (not always, sometimes!) we need to go that 'extra mile' and exceed the minimum standards as set forth in the various building codes, of which the NEC is but one of many. Yes, it may be a little more work, and cost a little more money. But in the long run, it may be worth it both in pride in your work as well as having a happy customer. I pen this disclaimer due to the simple reason as I am one who can be labelled, "Been there, done that." So this is merely advice. It's not a mandate. Not a requirement. Not a demand. Nor is it a command. Or an order. Or stipulation. It is merely advice based on my experience, and should be taken only as such. Your mileage may vary. Batteries not included. Please allow 4-6 weeks for delivery. Assembly required. Please talk to your health care provider before taking any medication. Chances of winning a prize: zero. Limit one per customer. This disclaimer may contain peanuts or peanut products.

 

[EC2253]

Do you get baby alligators crawling through those holes in the foundation?

 

[macmikeman]

Why take multiple circuits upstairs in the first place? I would have run some ser cable from the panel to upstairs and installed another panel using that.

It scares me to think there are idiots out there doing stupid stuff like this , but I run across it a lot. The same guys cannot complete an overhead service without using some unistrut to ruin all the looks of every house they get near to. Comes down to experience and training and sadly not enough of that gets distributed lately.

 

[Wirenuting]

We were talking in another thread and it reminded me of this..and it's something I've always been curious about but have never remembered to ask about.. I once did some work in an older home from the early 1900's. Instead of tearing out all the walls someone ran multiple feeds of conduit outside from the basement level to deliver modern rolex to the upper levels. They drilled through the wall and distributed romex throughout the upstairs. They seemed to have used proper materials and installed them correctly. Just curious about the overall idea. Anyone ever see this? And how legal was it?

How old was the install that you saw? Was it TW conduit or Ridged.

I believe that until the 50's, Romex in pipe was not disallowed.

480, is that correct?

 

[480sparky]

How old was the install that you saw? Was it TW conduit or Ridged.

I believe that until the 50's, Romex in pipe was not disallowed.

480, is that correct?

NM is allowed to be installed in raceways still today.

 

[CGW]

How old was the install that you saw? Was it TW conduit or Ridged.

I believe that until the 50's, Romex in pipe was not disallowed.

480, is that correct?

The house was built in the 1910's but I couldn't say when this modification was done. It's been a few years since I was there, but I believe it was Rigid.

Edit: now that I think about it, it might've been PVC.

 

[Barjack]

Personally, I'd never put a plastic box that low to the ground. It would be busted up by lawn mowers.

It was my original intention to cut out the wall behind the panel on the inside of the house, and run all branch circuits into the back of the panel.

That idea got shot down. Home owner wanted original lathe and plaster walls and ceilings preserved as much as possible. We finished the job with minimal damage to the inside. Home owner was made aware of the drawbacks of this design and accepted it anyway.

 

[macmikeman]

It was my original intention to cut out the wall behind the panel on the inside of the house, and run all branch circuits into the back of the panel.

That idea got shot down. Home owner wanted original lathe and plaster walls and ceilings preserved as much as possible. We finished the job with minimal damage to the inside. Home owner was made aware of the drawbacks of this design and accepted it anyway.

Big mistake. Anytime I just don't feel like complying with some homeowner stupid request, I just pull the ol' Sorry , it's not allowed in the code book....................

 

[Barjack]

Big mistake. Anytime I just don't feel like complying with some homeowner stupid request, I just pull the ol' Sorry , it's not allowed in the code book....................

I think if the client wants something done in a specific way, they're willing to pay for it, and I can do it and meet code, then I'm obliged to comply with their wishes.


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[480sparky]

I think if the client wants something done in a specific way, they're willing to pay for it, and I can do it and meet code, then I'm more than happy to take their money.

Fify.

 

[Barjack]

Fify.

What part of

…they're willing to pay for it…

don't you understand?


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[480sparky]

What part of



don't you understand?


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What part of

I'm more than happy to take their money

don't you understand?


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[macmikeman]

I just do it the better easier code complaint way and still take their money.

 

[Barjack]

This is a fun game.


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[Stickshaker]

This is the new service on a K&T rewire we recently completed and recently passed inspection. NM enters the box below the panel from the crawl space under the house, then transitions to THWN-2 at the box to the panel.

Yes, those two LFNMC's are less than 24".


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I'm curious why you used Carflex instead of #80?

 

[Barjack]

I'm curious why you used Carflex instead of #80?

Because apparently I'm a hack who swindles his clients with substandard installations.


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[hooch]

NM can be brought outside to a WP box, then changed to a different wiring method (UF, THWN) to run through the conduit, then back to NM in another WP box.

NM can be in a WP box, but not in the raceway.




You'll run into derating issues fairly quickly.

code please

 

[MTW]

Exterior conduit for resi branch circuits is very common here for "triple deckers" for A/C outlets on a budget. But they're also occasionally used for budget conscious customers who may have bricked in/ cemented fire stops at the base of the wall (very common here) and don't care about a single conduit on the side of the house.

 

[MTW]

Because apparently I'm a hack who swindles his clients with substandard installations.

You do electrical work in Florida so you're a hack by default. Anything beyond that is gravy.

 

[backstay]

Intersystem bonding terminal. I like the look of these over the wire type. Much cleaner.


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Got a link? Also, isn't the bare ground #4. Why the conduit, or is it #6.