[dgarmstrong]

Hello Everyone.

I am currently quoting on a job for a builder that we do plenty of work for. On the drawings and requested by the home owner. There is a back yard deck off their kitchen. The house wall of the deck is full door with glass floor to ceiling windows. There is no usable wall space on the deck area to have a wall mounted GFCI Outdoor outlet. The customer has requested to have a outdoor floor mounted GFCI on the opposite side corner of the deck.

Excluding trying to find accentually an Exterior Rated Floor Receptacle, is something like this even allowed? Or are you required to follow the minimum mounting height location for exterior GFCIs?

Thank you in advance for the advice and information back

 

[eddy current]

Hello Everyone.

I am currently quoting on a job for a builder that we do plenty of work for. On the drawings and requested by the home owner. There is a back yard deck off their kitchen. The house wall of the deck is full door with glass floor to ceiling windows. There is no usable wall space on the deck area to have a wall mounted GFCI Outdoor outlet. The customer has requested to have a outdoor floor mounted GFCI on the opposite side corner of the deck.

Excluding trying to find accentually an Exterior Rated Floor Receptacle, is something like this even allowed? Or are you required to follow the minimum mounting height location for exterior GFCIs?

Thank you in advance for the advice and information back

What is the minimum mounting height location for exterior GFCI’s ?

 

[SWDweller]

Put it in the first available wall space at the right height.

 

[dgarmstrong]

What is the minimum mounting height location for exterior GFCI’s ?

Isn’t it something like 16” or is that an old code rule??

 

[eddy current]

Isn’t it something like 16” or is that an old code rule??

Was never a code rule with a minimum height for outdoor receptacles that I know of.

 

[MikeFL]

In Canada?
How deep will the snow be on the deck when they still want use of that receptacle?
Put it in the soffit!

 

[macmikeman]

For USA there is a height limitation of 6.5 feet from grade for outdoor deck receptacle outlets for one and two family dwellings

210.52 (5) (E) (3) At decks. I know we are in a Canadian thread, but in case someone learning in America reads it , now they know the height limitation for the required deck outlets. Other outlets at a deck not part of the required deck outlet requirement can be mounted higher , because they are not even mentioned , except they will have to be GFI protected and if subject to damp or wet locations then a proper WR outlet and a proper WR cover applies also.

 

[dgarmstrong]

In Canada?
How deep will the snow be on the deck when they still want use of that receptacle?
Put it in the soffit!

That is why I was under the assumption that there was a minimum mounting height as was have snow, not just rain. That is why I thought it was something like 16" to Grade/Deck. If there isn't such a rule than I'll just find an approved exterior rated floor plug and see what happens with ESA.

 

[Quickservice]

Come out of the house with a run of UF... Route it to a deck post and mount a Bell box. If you have to come out of the house and then down to your trench run the exposed part in Sch. 80.

 

[kb1jb1]

Tarmac now has an outside floor/deck receptacle. I will try to find it.

 

[kb1jb1]

 

[emtnut]

Only thing I can think of is if this is the 'only' outdoor receptacle, there is a requirement for 1 of them to be accessible.

 

[Navyguy]

If the deck is attached to the house, then the receptacle needs to be AFCI. If the deck is not attached to the house then no AFCI.

I have a hard time believing that there is a floor mounted exterior receptacle approved for Canada... Even if it is, I am not convinced it is a good idea.

Cheers
John

 

[kb1jb1]

If the deck is attached to the house, then the receptacle needs to be AFCI. If the deck is not attached to the house then no AFCI.

I have a hard time believing that there is a floor mounted exterior receptacle approved for Canada... Even if it is, I am not convinced it is a good idea.

Cheers
John

I am skeptical also but the supply house had one on display and it looked workable in some applications.

 

[eddy current]

They definitely have CSA approved deck mounted receptacles and there is no code against installing them. Of course in certain areas it would not be a good idea, but there is no code that an inspector can use to make you not have one.
Yes we get snow here. Where I live we got almost 10 feet of snow this year so would a receptacle mounted 16” up on a post really be any different?

 

[lighterup]

They definitely have CSA approved deck mounted receptacles and there is no code against installing them. Of course in certain areas it would not be a good idea, but there is no code that an inspector can use to make you not have one.
Yes we get snow here. Where I live we got almost 10 feet of snow this year so would a receptacle mounted 16” up on a post really be any different?

deck floor seems like a nuisance trip waiting to happen. The difference is liquids follow gravity...and yes I'm sure gravity is areal thing.

 

[eddy current]

deck floor seems like a nuisance trip waiting to happen. The difference is liquids follow gravity...and yes I'm sure gravity is areal thing.

Yes there is a difference, but no code required difference and that is what we are talking about.

 

[emtnut]

Where I live we got almost 10 feet of snow this year so would a receptacle mounted 16” up on a post really be any different?

Well, It's almost 8 1/2 feet less to shovel to get to it, so I say YES !

 

[lighterup]

Yes there is a difference, but no code required difference and that is what we are talking about.

Floor receptacle outlet outdoors is a bad idea. Thats what I'm talking about

 

[kb1jb1]

Floor receptacle outlet outdoors is a bad idea. Thats what I'm talking about

I sort of agree but when you look at how it is made and designed to be installed I can see the application they intend.