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Up here in northern MN, propane is now $6.10 a gallon. At 95% efficiency that's $69 per million Btu's. Electric right out the wall is $29. This is doing a few things. Plenum heaters are 3 weeks out. People are plugging portable heaters into every circuit in these old fuse panels and upping the fuse size. I see fires coming, houses freezing up. It's a mess.
 

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I'm heating with propane, but own my tank. I got the summer fill and contracted 300 extra at 1.70 per gallon. An ounce of prevention....

Maybe in the spring there will be tons of service upgrades coming.
The contracts here have all been cancelled. The propane companies have an out in them. I'll bet if you read yours, you'll find that is true. I own my tank too, 1000 gal and I fill it in the summer when gas is lowest.
 

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The contracts here have all been cancelled. The propane companies have an out in them. I'll bet if you read yours, you'll find that is true. I own my tank too, 1000 gal and I fill it in the summer when gas is lowest.
You got me wondering so I found my paperwork on it. They cannot cancel without approval of both parties, but may not be held liable for failure of vendors or suppliers to perform obligations to the Co-op.

I still have 400 gallons left in mine, so hopefully the shortage gets rectified before I need more. Looks like I contracted at $1.49, not $1.70.
 

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You got me wondering so I found my paperwork on it. They cannot cancel without approval of both parties, but may not be held liable for failure of vendors or suppliers to perform obligations to the Co-op.

I still have 400 gallons left in mine, so hopefully the shortage gets rectified before I need more. Looks like I contracted at $1.49, not $1.70.
I know an insider and he said they all have an out. Most people aren't going to go to court anyway. My brother in law has a contract and they told him they don't have any gas to bring him. Now the politicians here are getting involved. That will really screw it up.
 

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I know an insider and he said they all have an out. Most people aren't going to go to court anyway. My brother in law has a contract and they told him they don't have any gas to bring him. Now the politicians here are getting involved. That will really screw it up.
If the weather warms up I should be ok anyway. We do work at the co-op, I know where all the breakers are!
 

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I use space heaters in my shop, and occasionally in my home. Being able to spot-heat with electric is far cheaper than electric baseboard or propane. Where I have gas, I use gas.
 

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It's 70 degrees here this morning and we had a little rain over night.
I'm glad I have inside work planned today. I wouldn't want to be out in that mess.
The orchids I have stuffed in the palm trees outside seem to like it though, most of them are ready to bloom. :)
 

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It's 70 degrees here this morning and we had a little rain over night.
I'm glad I have inside work planned today. I wouldn't want to be out in that mess.
The orchids I have stuffed in the palm trees outside seem to like it though, most of them are ready to bloom. :)
The weather sounds nice but you are still in Florida. I'd rather freeze for a month or two.
 

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Cheapest to most expensive... Im sure it will change in a few hours:laughing:

Solar
Gas
Geothermal
Propane

Oil

Electric het pump

Wood stoves (varies from where yu buy the wood, if it yours its free:thumbup:)

Electric resistance
Cheapest:

Down filled parka. Toque. Snow boots. Captain Morgan. Sit back, relax and watch Hockey Night in Canada :) .
 

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Cheapest to most expensive... Im sure it will change in a few hours:laughing:

Solar
Gas
Geothermal
Propane

Oil

Electric het pump

Wood stoves (varies from where yu buy the wood, if it yours its free:thumbup:)

Electric resistance
humm not in quebec
i would say
Solar, wind
Wood stoves (usually 7-80$ per 16" cord, i burn about 10-12 cord )
Geothermal
Electric heat pump (only good for autumn and spring)
Natural Gas
Electric resistance
Oil
Propane (over 3x more expensive than electric here, electric is about 0.075 cdn kw/h)

I used wood for main heating, a wall heat pump and electric baseboard when under -8C (wood is not powerful enough for whole house)
 

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Cheapest to most expensive... Im sure it will change in a few hours:laughing:

Solar
Gas
Geothermal
Propane

Oil

Electric het pump

Wood stoves (varies from where yu buy the wood, if it yours its free:thumbup:)

Electric resistance
If your talking cheapest to run, it's more like this

Geothermal @10 cents/kW is $7.00 per million
Wood @ $150/cord is $12 per million
Off peak electric @ 6 cents/kW is $14 per million
Straight electric @ 10 cents/kW is $29 per million
Fuel oil @ $4.20/ gal is $34 per million
Propane @ $6.10/ gal is $67 per million

Solar is a non starter as you would never be able to have a system big enough to heat with.

And as of yesterday propane here is $6.10 a gal.
 

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It's 70 degrees here this morning and we had a little rain over night.
I'm glad I have inside work planned today. I wouldn't want to be out in that mess.
The orchids I have stuffed in the palm trees outside seem to like it though, most of them are ready to bloom. :)
How cold does it have to get before you develop Frozen Chads?
 
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