[Tamas]

Hi,
if I changed an ungrounded receptacle that in installed in a backbox that has no grd wire, no equipm. grndg with a GFCI type that has no LED indicator , would it be qualified as alternat. for grounded recept.?????

Thank you

 

[bobelectric]

In my oplnion,No. Anymore with all the electronics, that set up won't protect equipment on a surge or spike condition. N.E.C. sez otherwise.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Tamas you really need to use the correct terminology. A grounded conductor is a neutral and a grounding conductor is the equipment ground.

 

[HARRY304E]

Hi,
if I changed an ungrounded receptacle that in installed in a backbox that has no grd wire, no equipm. grndg with a GFCI type that has no LED indicator , would it be qualified as alternat. for grounded recept.?????

Thank you

You're welcome....http://www.nfpa.org/codes-and-standards/document-information-pages?mode=code&code=70

406.4(D)(2)...

(2) Non–Grounding-Type Receptacles. Where attachment to an equipment grounding conductor does not exist in the receptacle enclosure, the installation shall comply with (D)(2)(a), (D)(2)(b), or (D)(2)(c).
(a) 
A non–grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted to be replaced with another non–grounding-type receptacle(s).
(b) 
A non–grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted to be replaced with a ground-fault circuit interrupter-type of receptacle(s). These receptacles shall be marked “No Equipment Ground.” An equipment grounding conductor shall not be connected from the ground-fault circuit-interrupter-type receptacle to any outlet supplied from the ground-fault circuit-interrupter receptacle.
(c) 
A non–grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted to be replaced with a grounding-type receptacle(s) where supplied through a ground-fault circuit interrupter. Grounding-type receptacles supplied through the ground-fault circuit interrupter shall be marked “GFCI Protected” and “No Equipment Ground.” An equipment grounding conductor shall not be connected between the grounding-type receptacles.

(3) Ground-Fault Circuit Interrupters. Ground-fault circuit-interrupter protected receptacles shall be provided where replacements are made at receptacle outlets that are required to be so protected elsewhere in this Code.

Exception:  Where replacement of the receptacle type is impracticable, such as where the outlet box size will not permit the installation of the GFCI receptacle, the receptacle shall be permitted to be replaced with a new receptacle of the existing type, where GFCI protection is provided and the receptacle is marked “GFCI protected” and “no equipment ground,” in accordance with 406.4(D)(2) (a), (b), or (c).

 

[bobelectric]

What ever become of the movement to call grounding...earthing?

 

[bkmichael65]

It's always nice to see licensed electrical contractors take it upon themselves to master the first year apprentice curriculum

 

[Tapeman]

Don't forget to put the sticker on the GFCI receptacle that says " No Equipment ground."
I've been called on that and had to go back just for the sticker.

 

[Speedy Petey]

Don't forget to put the sticker on the GFCI receptacle that says " No Equipment ground."
I've been called on that and had to go back just for the sticker.

What sticker???
I have installed hundreds and hundreds of Cooper and Leviton GFIs. Not once have I seen these stickers in the box.

 

[ponyboy]

What sticker??? I have installed hundreds and hundreds of Cooper and Leviton GFIs. Not once have I seen these stickers in the box.

I think they're in there. At least they used to be

 

[Speedy Petey]

These:

What brand includes these?
I use mainly Cooper and they do not.

 

[ponyboy]

These: What brand includes these? I use mainly Cooper and they do not.

I use leviton. Haven't put one in many months though

 

[Tamas]

You're welcome....http://www.nfpa.org/codes-and-standards/document-information-pages?mode=code&code=70

406.4(D)(2)...

(2) Non–Grounding-Type Receptacles. Where attachment to an equipment grounding conductor does not exist in the receptacle enclosure, the installation shall comply with (D)(2)(a), (D)(2)(b), or (D)(2)(c).
(a) 
A non–grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted to be replaced with another non–grounding-type receptacle(s).
(b) 
A non–grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted to be replaced with a ground-fault circuit interrupter-type of receptacle(s). These receptacles shall be marked “No Equipment Ground.” An equipment grounding conductor shall not be connected from the ground-fault circuit-interrupter-type receptacle to any outlet supplied from the ground-fault circuit-interrupter receptacle.
(c) 
A non–grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted to be replaced with a grounding-type receptacle(s) where supplied through a ground-fault circuit interrupter. Grounding-type receptacles supplied through the ground-fault circuit interrupter shall be marked “GFCI Protected” and “No Equipment Ground.” An equipment grounding conductor shall not be connected between the grounding-type receptacles.

(3) Ground-Fault Circuit Interrupters. Ground-fault circuit-interrupter protected receptacles shall be provided where replacements are made at receptacle outlets that are required to be so protected elsewhere in this Code.

Exception:  Where replacement of the receptacle type is impracticable, such as where the outlet box size will not permit the installation of the GFCI receptacle, the receptacle shall be permitted to be replaced with a new receptacle of the existing type, where GFCI protection is provided and the receptacle is marked “GFCI protected” and “no equipment ground,” in accordance with 406.4(D)(2) (a), (b), or (c).

Good, thanx

 

[AllWIRES]

It's always nice to see licensed electrical contractors take it upon themselves to master the first year apprentice curriculum

Zing!! Hahaha

 

[That_Dude]

It's always nice to see licensed electrical contractors take it upon themselves to master the first year apprentice curriculum

:lol: :lol:
Ibtl. :whistling2:

 

[480sparky]

I use leviton. Haven't put one in many months though

P&S has 'em too.

 

[papaotis]

every gfci i have installed had those stickers, except maybe a couple that the box had ben opened

 

[Vintage Sounds]

It's always nice to see licensed electrical contractors take it upon themselves to master the first year apprentice curriculum

Unintentional trolls: the best kind?

 

[220/221]

What sticker???
I have installed hundreds and hundreds of Cooper and Leviton GFIs. Not once have I seen these stickers in the box.

They come in the box.

You probably throw them out with the instructions like most guys :thumbup:


(I use P&S)

 

[Big John]

What ever become of the movement to call grounding...earthing?

I wish like hell they did. When I'm trying to explain it to newbies I use the terms "earthing" and "bonding."

Once someone gets the concepts then we can worry about grounded, grounding, and ungrounded.

 

[Tapeman]

BTW your GFCI tester will not trip an ungrounded GFCI.