[LARMGUY]

San Francisco Bay Area Bans Gas Furnaces and Water Heaters

Regulators in the San Francisco Bay Area voted to eliminate natural gas-powered furnaces and water heaters over 8 years starting in 2027.

www.breitbart.com

 

[kb1jb1]

And some people on the forum said it will never happen. Banning gas appliances is misinformation.

 

[CAUSA]

The artical says gas powered.???
Technically it is electric powered and consumes gas to heat air.

There are some units that are powered by gas. Like a trailer ammonia fridge that use a propane flame to crate the refrigeration cycle.

And some water tanks that use the flame for power. But they are very old and not too many around anymore.


Hopefully the act’s wording is this way as well. Because it is one huge loophole. That can be exploited.

 

[ohm it hertz]

And some people on the forum said it will never happen. Banning gas appliances is misinformation.

Exactly.

"NoBoDy iS CoMiNg fOr yOUr gaS sToVeS."

Here ya go naysayers - PROOF. Don't argue it, don't throw your four year political science degree at ME - just accept the fact that it's actually happening.

 

[u2slow]

Don't worry. I still heat with wood to keep the balance. 😂

 

[Wardenclyffe]

 

[emtnut]

I was expecting a bunch of SanFransico Electricians dressed up like the village people, celebrating in the streets

🤮

 

[Awg-Dawg]

I wonder what the pipe fitters think about it?

 

[wcord]

I wonder what the pipe fitters think about it?

Somebody has to cap the gas lines when a gas appliance has to be replaced with electric

 

[RUSKES]

Of course the electicians are celebrating.

Millions of dollar new business for them

 

[Awg-Dawg]

Somebody has to cap the gas lines when a gas appliance has to be replaced with electric

Then what?

 

[joe-nwt]

Of course the electicians are celebrating.

Millions of dollar new business for them

So stupidity is acceptable as long as electricians make some money?

 

[u2slow]

So stupidity is acceptable as long as electricians make some money?

Not even... the HVAC guys win.

 

[power]

While I am not contending this won't happen.......I am not expecting it in our lifetime.

As per the San Fran news article, the suggested residential loads for pending removal:
28kW - The removal of a 100,000btu gas furnace would require in/about 28kW of electric heat.
5kW - The removal of a 25,000btu atmospherically vented water heater would be somewhere around 5kW.

The aforementioned gas equipment is pulled. Interior area heating AND the domestic water heater is now electrically operated. That's a 33kW increase. Notwithstanding this, too, I am understanding that we're all supposed to driving electric cars in 10 years too!! So, that's another approx 10kW.

So, now we have 43kW additional load required in a house that was only prewired for on/about 24kW (for 100amp) or 48kW (for 200amp) services.

This added demand load cascades from the top-down: (RED=Utility, BLUE=Private Contractor)
- Generation (hydro, nat gas, nuclear, etc...) then,
- Transmission lines, then,
- Distributions lines, then,
- Residential Services, then
- Residential Branch Circuitry.

There is NO WAY all this can be upgraded in short order:

The politicians can spin their wheels in this "green" tree-hugging boondoggle until they actually are advised by the energy industry what the implications really are!!!

 

[emtnut]

Then what?

Then they get contracts with the POCO to expand the Gas turbine plants to supply the electrical

 

[lighterup]

I was expecting a bunch of SanFransico Electricians dressed up like the village people, celebrating in the streets

🤮

Ha ha! Yeah I remember there was a thread here on ET years ago that showed a group of Euro electricians all wearing the same multi colored uniforms with suspenders.

 

[MHElectric]

So stupidity is acceptable as long as electricians make some money?

While I completely agree with you, this is a ridiculous law that is unsustainable and being spearheaded by people who are completely out of touch with reality….

…..a good capitalist knows how to adapt and beat the commies & socialists at their own system….

Adapt. Overcome. Conquer. And then hire your accountant to make sure you pay the least amount of taxes as possible and make sure you vote to keep communist law making idiots out of office. 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲

 

[kbatku]

We've got to face the fact that we aren't ever going to do anything substantial about carbon emissions and that because of this 95 - 98% of humans and civilization as we know it will be gone in a hundred years. We are facing a global collapse followed by starvation, war and pestilence that will knock us back as a species back into the stone age, where we will start the whole process over again. If we're lucky. If we are unlucky then I guess that as a species we got what was coming to us for our arrogance and abuse of our home. We had a good run but now I guess it's up to our cockroach overlords to build on what we've accomplished.

 

[kb1jb1]

China is building 2 coal fired plants per month. They are raping the world from Africa to South America. They just signed agreements with Honduras. Do they care about carbon or pollution? No. The US is collapsing with the rapid green stuff while China and India run wild. Let the market encourage the EV movement. Why is the government using taxpayer money to subsidize up to 90% of a commercial installation. No wonder 7-11 is installing fast chargers at many of their locations. Do the math.

 

[MHElectric]

A little bit of common sense and rational thinking goes a long way…..