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Had a contractor bring in a Crouse Hinds 1-1/2" setscrew conn and it was at least 1/2" shorter than my AFC , Topaz and Madison stock. He said he liked them over the longer ones. Should I be stocking these over my current style? It's never come up before and I wanted to ask the experts that are actually installing them. What do you think?
 

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Had a contractor bring in a Crouse Hinds 1-1/2" setscrew conn and it was at least 1/2" shorter than my AFC , Topaz and Madison stock. He said he liked them over the longer ones. Should I be stocking these over my current style? It's never come up before and I wanted to ask the experts that are actually installing them. What do you think?
If you are saying that you like the longer ones because they are more forgiving if you cut the pipe wrong...too short, that is okay. I prefer cutting the pipe as close as I can so that the pipe butts the shoulder inside to keep out junk such as crete liquid, or mud.
 

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Had a contractor bring in a Crouse Hinds 1-1/2" setscrew conn and it was at least 1/2" shorter than my AFC , Topaz and Madison stock. He said he liked them over the longer ones. Should I be stocking these over my current style? It's never come up before and I wanted to ask the experts that are actually installing them. What do you think?
...short couplings and connectors are substandard , and the manufactures way of shaving a couple pennies off the manufacturing process.

I prefer the longer barrel couplings/connectors
 

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Had a contractor bring in a Crouse Hinds 1-1/2" setscrew conn and it was at least 1/2" shorter than my AFC , Topaz and Madison stock. He said he liked them over the longer ones. Should I be stocking these over my current style? It's never come up before and I wanted to ask the experts that are actually installing them. What do you think?
. My experience with the substandard , shorter throat fittings , is that they have " hecho en Mexico " , stamped on the boxes . I compared two boxes of Raco 3/4" EMT set screw connectors . The ones made in Mexico were barely long enough for the set screw to engage the pipe , lol ! The other box was made in the USA and were the ones I was hard to using all the time . I called my purchasing agent and asked him what gives ? Obviously the Mexico fittings were cheaper . When I voiced my concerns of pipe runs pulling apart on block walls , be ordered me the good ones , lol !
 

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For years I've noticed some connectors are longer, some are shorter, often available from the same brand. Makes little difference to me at all which I use. So long as I'm getting all the same type for a particular job.
 

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The only part the bugs me about the shorter connector part is they don't match existing stock you may have.

As for the threads, I've always complained (especially on rain-tite) that the threads were too short on some brands. It's nearly impossible to put the locknut and a bonding bushing on. You may be it threaded, but you can't get it low enough for the set screw to catch. Some are so short I have to file down a plastic bushing in order to get the threads to start.
 

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Everything is getting smaller, thinner, junkier and cheaper. I've noticed the nuts on strut straps are getting so thin the wrench has trouble grabbing. The worst is try to get an mc connector locknut on in a 4" sq. thru a single gang mud ring. I feel like a dummy trying to do one comming in the top of a box.
 

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Everything is getting smaller, thinner, junkier and cheaper. I've noticed the nuts on strut straps are getting so thin the wrench has trouble grabbing. The worst is try to get an mc connector locknut on in a 4" sq. thru a single gang mud ring. I feel like a dummy trying to do one comming in the top of a box.
I get scared when the couplings I use say india on them. they just look dull and cheap. and usually to get your pipe in the compression coupling you have to completely remove the jewelery with those.
 

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Ok, now I'm really confused. Just got a sample of 2" Made in USA conn and it's at least 1/2" shorter than the smallest CH, has only one setscrew and threads are way shorter not allowing a plastic bushing to fit on. I think India, China and Mexico fittings are looking a little bit better now.
 

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This is what happens with many commodity-type electrical products. We purchase our imported steel fittings from the same manufacturers (India and China) as C-H, Topaz, Madison, T&B, etc. The issue with the shortening of the steel EMT fittings is completely driven by cost pressure - by the customer. The margins on this stuff are unbelievably low, and in some trade sizes (1/2" to 1") they are practically given away.

Every distributor in the country is always looking for LOWER prices, even though material, shipping, and energy costs keep increasing everywhere. As a result, these offshore manufacturers have now realized they can shave some material off these formed fittings without any appreciable difference in performance or UL Listing requirements - and remain competitive. :rolleyes:

However, once they have done this, there will be no more that can be done to meet the demands of the customer with regards to lower pricing, and what will eventually happen is that quality consistency will become a real issue (if it hasn't already). We already see the quality issues, as we are one of a very few who actually inspect most of our imported products before they are sent on to a distributor. Most of the big guys just take the container and ship it to stock - without checking. The first guy to open the box is typically the electrician.

The US made Steel Fittings are a completely machined product our of bar stock. The wall thickness is greater than the formed tube product, which is why it can work with one set screw. This manufacturer also designs the product to save on material, while meeting the UL performance requirements. The only issue is that sometimes the material is reduced in the wrong areas and the customer has an installation issue.

Then there are the Die Cast Zinc Alloy fittings....The universal imported product quality is not consistent (i.e. Mexico, India, China mfrs), which has certainly given this material a bad name. Imported Steel fittings are next....:blink: This is why we are still producing our die cast product in-house, with much higher and consistent quality and performance. Our lower volume, offshore produced product is made with our tooling at our partner's facility. It also goes through the same quality surveillance as our internal product.

We believe we pay more attention to our fittings product line than the other guys because its all we do (vs. competitors larger line with Devices, Strut, Lighting, Conduit, PVC, etc...).

The saying of "you get what you pay for" is usually true in this case as well.
 

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This is what happens with many commodity-type electrical products. We purchase our imported steel fittings from the same manufacturers (India and China) as C-H, Topaz, Madison, T&B, etc. The issue with the shortening of the steel EMT fittings is completely driven by cost pressure - by the customer. The margins on this stuff are unbelievably low, and in some trade sizes (1/2" to 1") they are practically given away.

Every distributor in the country is always looking for LOWER prices, even though material, shipping, and energy costs keep increasing everywhere. As a result, these offshore manufacturers have now realized they can shave some material off these formed fittings without any appreciable difference in performance or UL Listing requirements - and remain competitive. :rolleyes:

However, once they have done this, there will be no more that can be done to meet the demands of the customer with regards to lower pricing, and what will eventually happen is that quality consistency will become a real issue (if it hasn't already). We already see the quality issues, as we are one of a very few who actually inspect most of our imported products before they are sent on to a distributor. Most of the big guys just take the container and ship it to stock - without checking. The first guy to open the box is typically the electrician.

The US made Steel Fittings are a completely machined product our of bar stock. The wall thickness is greater than the formed tube product, which is why it can work with one set screw. This manufacturer also designs the product to save on material, while meeting the UL performance requirements. The only issue is that sometimes the material is reduced in the wrong areas and the customer has an installation issue.

Then there are the Die Cast Zinc Alloy fittings....The universal imported product quality is not consistent (i.e. Mexico, India, China mfrs), which has certainly given this material a bad name. Imported Steel fittings are next....:blink: This is why we are still producing our die cast product in-house, with much higher and consistent quality and performance. Our lower volume, offshore produced product is made with our tooling at our partner's facility. It also goes through the same quality surveillance as our internal product.

We believe we pay more attention to our fittings product line than the other guys because its all we do (vs. competitors larger line with Devices, Strut, Lighting, Conduit, PVC, etc...).

The saying of "you get what you pay for" is usually true in this case as well.
Sounds like somebody works at Bridgeport. Sure as hell isn't Neer. :laughing:
 
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