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I'd think you are in permafrost, so I wouldn't think there would be much temp change ???
For the most part, we are not in permafrost. Ever try to dig in permafrost? Not the same as frozen soil you might run into. It is as hard as, or harder than concrete. I know, seems hard to believe.

Since I posted this morning, I sent an email with the NEMA literature to our AHJ asking the rationale behind forcing us to install expansion joints. No reply so far.
 
The job is already done but the inspector was kinda upset that I didn't use expansion fittings on my 200ft underground PVC run. The reason why I didn't use any is because pipe is like 2-3ft underground and temp changes are minimal there (I am not even sure if those expansions work underground) and manufacturer specs say that in general it's not needed underground as well. Inspector said there is earth movement and that's why they are needed, not because temp changes. But anyway, the main reason why I didn't install them because I used direct burial cable and PVC was only used for further protection. What do you think, expansions needed or not?

The other questions is this... When pipe emerges from ground and within like a foot or less goes straight inside the building with a 90, do you need expansion is this case?

You are misinterpreting what they are for. They are to compensate for frost unheavel and vertical thermal expansion and contraction.

There is uniform lateral temperature change, so no expansion device is needed in the buried horizontal run.
 
They make you install them underground?

It would have to be a pretty far run for code to require an expansion joint as the temperature does not change much underground.
Exactly!

Somebody is a moron somewhere.

How many millions of miles of plastic water and gas lines are run underground and never one expansion joint in any of them?
 
For the most part, we are not in permafrost. Ever try to dig in permafrost? Not the same as frozen soil you might run into. It is as hard as, or harder than concrete. I know, seems hard to believe.

Since I posted this morning, I sent an email with the NEMA literature to our AHJ asking the rationale behind forcing us to install expansion joints. No reply so far.
I've dug in frozen ground ... sometimes the backhoe almost gets airborne :biggrin:

I'm interested in what the AHJ gets back to you with !
 
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