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Induction voltage issue in a control circuit

4.7K views 11 replies 8 participants last post by  Majewski  
#1 ·
A 14 core 1.5 mmsq cable is used for control and indication of a motor operated valve circuit of 230v AC. When only two cores of cable carry voltage of 230v for open/close indication, then 50-80v AC voltage is observed with respect to ground on rest of 12 cores even if they are disconnected from bith ends. What is reason for these induction volts of 50-80v and how can this issue be resolved
PS: 14 core cable is Non armoured/non shielded. 230v AC single phase with nuetral grounded.
 
#9 ·
It's normal if you're using a basic digital meter. The input impedance of such a meter is around 11 meg-ohms and it'll read inductive and/or capacitive coupling to energized conductor.

This is often called a 'ghost voltage', the current is very low.
When the magnetic contactor picks up (for valve opening or closing), then induction voltage does'nt allow it to drop out. Hence the other operation is blocked. Seperate cables have been used for motor power circuit)
 
#5 ·
It’s capacitive coupling. Capacitance is two conductors separated by an insulator. Induction is usually more of a complete circuit/loop.

It easily shows up with a multimeter as described but also many control system inputs (PLC inputs) are fairly high impedance. A common inductive problem with motor circuits is this. Say you run a single 7 conductor cable out to a remote pumping station. Four (3 conductors plus ground) are for the motor. Control power is on another and the last two return “start” and “stop” signals. So what often happens is once the motor starts it inductively couples enough voltage onto the “stop” signal (normally closed logic) that the motor will not stop because the PLC input is continuously energized regardless of the status of the button.

This points out two things. First use DC control signals and this sort of thing won’t happen. There are many advantages of DC control over AC and this is a major one. Second route the control and power in separate raceways or at least separate cables. It may be “ghost voltage” but under some fairly common situations those ghosts become real.
 
#11 ·
You are going to have a make a sketch and post it.

you start by saying only 2 core are used for indication then you say that they hold in a magnetic contactor.

If you are in fact used multiply cores and the valve indications are incorrect due to induced voltage then simply add a relay. If you are saying that induced voltage is holding in a contactor then its time to test the wire because that's not happening.
 
#12 ·
You are going to have a make a sketch and post it.

you start by saying only 2 core are used for indication then you say that they hold in a magnetic contactor.

If you are in fact used multiply cores and the valve indications are incorrect due to induced voltage then simply add a relay. If you are saying that induced voltage is holding in a contactor then its time to test the wire because that's not happening.
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