What are some of your opinions on the two generators? which one is more better..? I have a customer that wants a kohler to feed their 400 amp service but I really would like to get them to go with a generac. I would like persuade them to generac but I need some hard info on why its better. I am doing this with another EC and he uses generac. If the customer insists on Kohler what is entailed with me becoming a "dealer" with them..? Thanks for your replies..
captkirk
Generac = gener crap
If you're making me choose between the two, the Kohler is what I'll pick any day.
If you're making me choose between the two, the Kohler is what I'll pick any day.
Thats kind of what I figured. If we went with generac we could make some money on the units alone.... But neither of us are Kohler dealers.. And this lady wants this done ASAP.. How long does it take to get set up with them..? and do I need to sell at least two a year or something..?
Kohler. Hands down.
My supplier not only sells them, they also deliver and set them. All I do is hook them up, get a plumber in, and call for commissioning.
My supplier not only sells them, they also deliver and set them. All I do is hook them up, get a plumber in, and call for commissioning.
If it was for myself I will say get Kohler just stay away from Generarc I have issue with those peice of merde long story short too many specal parts and get service IMO it kinda in stink catogery area.
That why I always go with Cat or Kohler and couple others and they are easy to service and get parts if need to.
Merci,Marc
That why I always go with Cat or Kohler and couple others and they are easy to service and get parts if need to.
Merci,Marc
A good Kohler unit = 1800 RPM engine speed
Generac units = 3600 RPM
Always go for the 1800 RPM units; they have better guts, engine operates at ½ the speed, run quieter, last longer, etc.
Generac units = 3600 RPM
Always go for the 1800 RPM units; they have better guts, engine operates at ½ the speed, run quieter, last longer, etc.
Every Genrac unit should be melted down and sold as scrap.
The engineers that design them should be fired.
The bosses that approved the design should be shot.
I just wired a 80 KW 208Y/120 Genrac unit and it was total crap along with the ATS that went with it.
For instance the neutral lug was mounted facing in where you could not access it, the wiring compartment had spinning parts in it so you better be careful how you route the wiring.
The engineers that design them should be fired.
The bosses that approved the design should be shot.
I just wired a 80 KW 208Y/120 Genrac unit and it was total crap along with the ATS that went with it.
For instance the neutral lug was mounted facing in where you could not access it, the wiring compartment had spinning parts in it so you better be careful how you route the wiring.
Beware also that Generac also private brand labels their generators, so you'll find Generac's with other brand names slapped on the outside. Siemens and Coleman come to mind, but I know there are others. Chances are pretty good that if you're looking at a packaged 3600rpm generator, you stand a pretty good chance of looking at a Generac, no matter what brand name is on the outside.
If its a good customer, use Kohler. If they are cheap SOBs get them a Generac.
I avoid Generac (even worse are Guardians) as much as I can.
If you need to purchase a Kohler, got to the website, look up the support # and they will transfer your call to a local deaer.
I avoid Generac (even worse are Guardians) as much as I can.
If you need to purchase a Kohler, got to the website, look up the support # and they will transfer your call to a local deaer.
I have sold Guardian Generators for the past (6) years and have never had a problem with their units... (11) total. :thumbsup:
The sizes were from 7 - 20kw and they continue to make changes along the way.
Only thing I don't like is GENERAC charging $300.00 to ship me (15) maintenance kits. :furious:
Total weight is less than 15 pounds and they want $300.00
If they ship a 500 pound generator, shipping costs $120.00
The sizes were from 7 - 20kw and they continue to make changes along the way.
Only thing I don't like is GENERAC charging $300.00 to ship me (15) maintenance kits. :furious:
Total weight is less than 15 pounds and they want $300.00
If they ship a 500 pound generator, shipping costs $120.00
This should tell you a LOT about the company you are dealing with. I would never want to deal with any company that selectively rips you off like that..... thing I don't like is GENERAC charging $300.00 to ship me (15) maintenance kits. :furious:
Total weight is less than 15 pounds and they want $300.00
If they ship a 500 pound generator, shipping costs $120.00
Kohler vs. Generac
I have had experience with both systems and I would have to say that I prefer the Generac product hands down. It is far easier to install with the pre-wired whips and pre-drilled holes. Plus you have much more flexibility with kW sizes and enclosure materials. They also have much cleaner power, I believe it is less than 5% total harmonic distortion, Kohler doesn't list theirs. Plus the customers really like the quiet test feature. Since all of the systems exercise, they like the fact that the units exercise at the lower RPM instead of full speed. It saves them fuel and is less noisy. My vote is Generac.
I have had experience with both systems and I would have to say that I prefer the Generac product hands down. It is far easier to install with the pre-wired whips and pre-drilled holes. Plus you have much more flexibility with kW sizes and enclosure materials. They also have much cleaner power, I believe it is less than 5% total harmonic distortion, Kohler doesn't list theirs. Plus the customers really like the quiet test feature. Since all of the systems exercise, they like the fact that the units exercise at the lower RPM instead of full speed. It saves them fuel and is less noisy. My vote is Generac.
So Friday about noon I get called by the boss and told 'get to Provincetown MA ASAP' to meet the Generator tech to do an 'emergency start up' of the 80 KW Generac unit I mentioned earlier in the thread. He also said 'Do not leave that customer until that genset is ready for use and circuits cut over from a dead generator.
So I get there about 3 hours later, 130 miles and weekend Cape Cod traffic, the Generator tech is there along with a plumber from the company that ran the propane line. They tell me that they had it running, great life is good.:thumbsup:
No says the generator tech, when he started it he heard a noise, it turned out to be a shaft that extends the engine crankshaft out past the radiator to run the fan. It was not correctly aligned with the crank shaft. It has a 'flex' coupling but the misalignment was so severe it would have needed a universal joint not a metal 'flex plate' type joint.
He calls the factory support, gets the run around and finally gets a guy who knew that had been an issue, he explains the fix. It took the generator tech and plumber at least two hours working together to pretty much disassemble the entire front end modify some brackets and put it all back together again.
When the tech asked for job number so he could get paid for this extra work he was told that was part of the 'adjustments' necessary that he was already being paid for under the 'start up' pay.
In the mean time I am helping out by pulling out the single 300 amp breaker it shipped with and installing the 200 and 100 amp breaker it was specified with, the gen tech would have done it but his hands where full as it was.
When we first saw the misalignment we talked about bringing in a portable genset and wiring that up outside ......... but can't do that because the Generac transfer switch has no provision for two wire start that a portable set would need. The Genrac ATS actual has no brain at all, that is in the Genset, the genset board runs the ATS (two of them in this case) via an RS-485 data connection. You also need a lap top plugged into the genset to make changes to voltage tolerance, transfer times etc.
I was done at about 2:30 AM Sat morning, drove about an hour, slept in the truck for about 1.5 hours and finally got home about 6:30 AM Sat.
I hate Generac.
So I get there about 3 hours later, 130 miles and weekend Cape Cod traffic, the Generator tech is there along with a plumber from the company that ran the propane line. They tell me that they had it running, great life is good.:thumbsup:
No says the generator tech, when he started it he heard a noise, it turned out to be a shaft that extends the engine crankshaft out past the radiator to run the fan. It was not correctly aligned with the crank shaft. It has a 'flex' coupling but the misalignment was so severe it would have needed a universal joint not a metal 'flex plate' type joint.
He calls the factory support, gets the run around and finally gets a guy who knew that had been an issue, he explains the fix. It took the generator tech and plumber at least two hours working together to pretty much disassemble the entire front end modify some brackets and put it all back together again.
When the tech asked for job number so he could get paid for this extra work he was told that was part of the 'adjustments' necessary that he was already being paid for under the 'start up' pay.
In the mean time I am helping out by pulling out the single 300 amp breaker it shipped with and installing the 200 and 100 amp breaker it was specified with, the gen tech would have done it but his hands where full as it was.
When we first saw the misalignment we talked about bringing in a portable genset and wiring that up outside ......... but can't do that because the Generac transfer switch has no provision for two wire start that a portable set would need. The Genrac ATS actual has no brain at all, that is in the Genset, the genset board runs the ATS (two of them in this case) via an RS-485 data connection. You also need a lap top plugged into the genset to make changes to voltage tolerance, transfer times etc.
I was done at about 2:30 AM Sat morning, drove about an hour, slept in the truck for about 1.5 hours and finally got home about 6:30 AM Sat.
I hate Generac.
Well..,,
There is a other person to add on the list whom they don't like the dammed Generarc generators.
I got one early this moring and that was kinda like headache it never ran right due this is a LP unit and to make it worst some dolt have the LP in wrong format. this generator is set up to take in vapor instead of liquid draw which the dolt did and got the regulator frezze up pretty bad { about quarter inch of ice there } and to make it worst have main fuel valve nozzle set up for natural gas instead of LP that part I don't know why that dolt did it.
Took me 2 hours to fix it right and run good now.
Merci,Marc
There is a other person to add on the list whom they don't like the dammed Generarc generators.
I got one early this moring and that was kinda like headache it never ran right due this is a LP unit and to make it worst some dolt have the LP in wrong format. this generator is set up to take in vapor instead of liquid draw which the dolt did and got the regulator frezze up pretty bad { about quarter inch of ice there } and to make it worst have main fuel valve nozzle set up for natural gas instead of LP that part I don't know why that dolt did it.
Took me 2 hours to fix it right and run good now.
Merci,Marc
I worked at some apartment buildings doing maintenance for a couple years and they had propane as a backup. And also they got a break on the energy bill if they had that backup in place, the gas company would call about once a winter and tell them to switch over to propane. When yoiu switched it over you have to check each boiler to make sure the pilot light didn't blow out at the switch. We had 22 boilers we had to check the pilots on and it never failed that right when we got done checking them all we would get the call to switch back and the whole thing would start over. It was a pretty much an all day ordeal but I guess it saved the company a barn fulll of money
Please, Help to remove Fault
Mr.MDShunk, I need your help
I have a kohler mitsubishi generator 1600 Kw. it is the first time to deal with this generator. the problem is in the control panel as follows, as you know the panel has selesctor switch with 3 positions: Auto,Off/Reset and Run. I always start this generator only when City power is OFF for one hour or more
last time when i tried to start the generator I put the selector switch to Run position but the LCD shows EMERGENCY STOP and the led for SYSTEM SHUTDOWN is ON. I checked the Emegency Stop Switch and i found it OK.
So, please try to help me
wirh all my respect
Mr.MDShunk, I need your help
I have a kohler mitsubishi generator 1600 Kw. it is the first time to deal with this generator. the problem is in the control panel as follows, as you know the panel has selesctor switch with 3 positions: Auto,Off/Reset and Run. I always start this generator only when City power is OFF for one hour or more
last time when i tried to start the generator I put the selector switch to Run position but the LCD shows EMERGENCY STOP and the led for SYSTEM SHUTDOWN is ON. I checked the Emegency Stop Switch and i found it OK.
So, please try to help me
wirh all my respect
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