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Range takes an hour to heat up

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#1 ·
So I get a call. The range at a rental house takes an hour to heat up. I look for a 2pole breaker. Don't find one in the outside service. I see a 100a breaker in it and figure it feeds a subpanel. I look no subpanel. I find a panel that feeds the a/c units and heat. So I go back to the service take the cover off and see #6 al with a piece of #14 wirenutted to it going to a 15a breaker. I'm sure they had a gas range at one time and converted it to a 120V circuit. I used a CU/AL split bolt to extend the wire they cut short. Guy said he had lived there 3 years with it that way.:eek: Thought the range was bad. Goes to show you never know what you will find on a service call.:laughing:
 

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#4 ·
Sadly no....He told me he loves to cook(I would of guessed he loved to eat, he was a little over weight :jester:) and that he has people coming next week to dinner. I assume they are safe from being eaten as he is cooking.:eek::laughing:
 
#5 ·
I was at a commercial demo, removing an old Square D panel, when I found a 2 pole stab-in breaker with only 1 side making a connection to the bus (there was no bus finger for the second pole). I started laughing, and the building engineer asked what was funny. I pointed it out, explained what was wrong, and he told me people had been complaining for years that the subpanel that breaker fed didn't work correctly.

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
 
#6 · (Edited)
so they didnt convert the plug while it was a gas unit? or the handiman didn't check the panel to see if the wiring was made up right? What do people think about when they do an install?

Feels like it's heating up, no need to go check the panel, it's outside and that would take 60 seconds. I will just pack up and go to my truck.


you could get them a (new) full size 40 2 pole and put the 15's above on the twin, but I am just being an armchair electrical critic. I SO don't want to turn into one....too late. I am sure he is happy to be cookin with gas, so to speak.
 
#7 ·
so they didnt convert the plug while it was a gas unit? or the handiman didn't check the panel to see if the wiring was made up right? What do people think about when they do an install?

Feels like it's heating up, no need to go check the panel, it's outside and that would take 60 seconds. I will just pack up and go to my truck.


you could get them a (new) full size 40 2 pole and put the 15's above on the twin, but I am just being an armchair electrical critic. I SO don't want to turn into one....too late. I am sure he is happy to be cookin with gas, so to speak.

I usually install Cutler Hammer but I carry a few breakers from each manufacture in the most common amps for situations just like this. I had a full size at one time but it got used and I haven't picked another one up yet. At least I had some "blanks" in stock.;)
 
#10 ·
It's a 2-pole, and it's 240v. It's split between two opposing phases. Look closely, and you can see the top half is in line with the bottom-right 100-a breaker, so the bottom half will be on the next phase or leg down.

It's a GE THQP250. GE panels that allow tandems use a unique bus connection. Instead of a slot in the bus bar, they use little 'ears' or 'tab's that are at a 90° angle to the bus bar that tandems/half-size/piggyback/slim breakers latch on to.
 
#13 ·
I looked again. You are right. It is a double pole breaker. Eye sight! the second thing to go with age.:laughing::laughing::laughing:


I had to go back and look at the picture after you said that. I KNEW I put a double pole in. I thought to myself....It did have the bar didn't it? Went back and looked and yep I remembered right. You had me wondering if I just thought I saw it or maybe I grabbed the wrong one.:laughing: