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Powerflex 525 Drive Issues F003/005

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#1 ·
I am having some trouble with an AB PF525 drive connected to a motor driving a centrifugal pump. The drive in question is a 25HP rated unit connected to a 25HP pump motor. We experience intermittent faults F003 and F005 (Power Loss/Single Phase Operation with high load and DC Bus Overvoltage). Incoming power is 480VAC 3PH Y with nominal voltages being 472 AB, 474 AC 470 BC and this rarely fluctuates. DC bus voltage is consistently between 625 and 640 VDC as verified by hours of logging with a Fluke 289. Incoming power connections have been verified to be secure and low resistance, so I cannot seem to figure out why I am showing phase loss and high DC bus voltage when the current DC bus voltage is low to begin with...472 VAC avg multiplied by root 2 is roughly 667 volts, so the low to mid 600s figures seem low.
 
#3 ·
The way all A-B drives detect a "phase loss" is actually by monitoring the DC bus voltage ripple, there is nothing looking at the actual incoming line voltage. So in this case since you have eliminated the possibility of fluctuations in the line, it might be related to resonance with other capacitors on the same line. Not caps on the DC side of rectifiers, but things like Power Factor Correction capacitors or starting of large single phase motors, old fashioned battery chargers etc., usually on the same line source. If that's not it, it might be indicative of the drive DC bus capacitors starting to fail or there being a loose connection on them.
 
#5 ·
JRaef, thank you for the suggestion on line resonance. There is an older well pump control fed from the same panel as this drive system. We suspected that this could be the cause of ripples on the line and, sure enough, shutting down that pump system seemingly eliminated the issue. We found that the drive faults coincided with the starting of the well pump motor. Our current plan of action is adding an input line reactor to hopefully minimize line voltage distortion and see if that fixes the issue.
 
#6 ·
A line reactor may not make a difference in this situation, but it’s a good idea to have one anyway. I’m just setting your expectations. You will likely have to figure out the problem in that older we’ll system that is causing the disturbance. Loose connection there? Motor winding going bad? PFC capacitors? Is it a large single phase motor?
 
#9 ·
Not mentioned...have you tested the motor? Or the drive? Disconnect motor at the drive. Then test line-to-line with a milliohm meter, then test line to ground with a megger at 60 seconds, 500 V test voltage. If you have a pdMA or a Baker just do that instead, I'm just giving you the common tools you should have if you work on motors and drives.



Milliohm readings should be less than 3%. So add together, divide by 3 and write that number down. Then subtract each of the individual readings from the average. Multiply by 100, divide by the average. Get all 3 numbers. Drop the sign. Take the highest one. So if we have say 10, 11, 12, the average is 11. The unbalance numbers are -9.1%, 0%, and +9.1%. Take 9.1% as the %unbalance. This test looks for shorted turns and/or loose connections.


Megger reading should be at least 5-10 Megaohms minimum. Watch as you get the reading. If it's bouncing all over the place, you got a moisture issue. If it's just low, its either dust or failed ground wall insulation.


Do NOT use a multimeter for either test. It has neither enough current and no Kelvin clamps for the milliohm test, nor enough voltage for the megger test.


If it fails either test, unwire motor and test again at the motor itself (is it coming from the wiring or the motor?) As you unwire it pay close attention in case you are just fighting a problem at the motor connections themselves.


If there are issues with a motor, it will drive VFD's crazy causing all kinds of goofy errors. The faults you mentioned are both pretty common for either connection issues or failing/marginal motor issues. Usually this is just early warnings that the drive is failing.



Along the same lines as JRaef mentioned you can check the DC bus yourself. Don't trust the VFD. Just take your multimeter and carefully put your meter on the "DC+" and "DC-" terminals. Set your meter first to DC and verify that the drive is reading the correct DC bus voltage. Then flip it to AC and check ripple on the DC bus...should not be more than a couple Volts at the most and thats when it's changing speeds. Anything bigger than that and you got serious issues. When you do this test on a lot of drives you need the probe covers in place so only the tips of your multimeter are exposed. This test should do two things. First if you have a bad rectifier you will see DC bus ripple is high. Second is that if the readings are off even a little compared to what the drive reports, you will know that you have a bad sensor system in the drive. If you have an oscilloscope this goes a lot faster and the exact drive issue will be a lot more obvious but again that's a fairly expensive tool not everyone has.