I wish I was a grill. Then I'd have yummy hamburgers and steaks all around me and get to spend the nicest days just sitting on the patio!

 

I'd like a girled cheese sandwich with bacon right now.

 

Yer so predicable.......~CS~

 

Huh.

 

further snappy comebacks much appreciated.

number #1, you're not any smarter via your gender, #2 you should have some respect for academica #3 as a private EC one can live far better that an EC ~CS~

 

'Cause I'm just a grill, a little 'ol me
Well don't let me out of your sight
Oh I'm just a grill, all pretty and petite
So don't let me have any rights

Oh...I've had it up to here!

 

It would sure be lousy if every generation had to re-invent brain surgery. Tell me how that kind of knowledge can be passed on without formal education.

If you don't want to go to effing school, don't.

 

It would sure be lousy if every generation had to re-invent brain surgery. Tell me how that kind of knowledge can be passed on without formal education.

it's called the internet m8, and it's free.
apprenticeship is another one that comes to mind however.

 

If people are telling you that you shouldn't be an electrician because you're a girl, tell them to phone a guy when their lights go out.

 

If you don't go to school, how else will the global elites indoctrinate you into the cult of victimization?

 

Every homicidal dictator in history - Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, Idi Amin included - persecuted intellectuals first. It's standard practise.

 

Even one with an EE degree can work in the trades until they get it out of their system and feel like a change of pace and desire less bodily wear and tear.

 

yes, this is the plan, i'm applying to educational school institutions so i have something to do over long layoffs.

managing construction workers sounds like an awful headache and it's beyond me why any of y'all would willingly inflict such pain & misery upon yourselves. masochists! (that's a big college word)

 

What are some of the legitimate reasons journeyman can F with you? If you're talking good natured ribbing, that's fine. If you mean treat you like crap and give you a hard time, there are zero reasons for it. And anyone saying different is an idiot i hope you never have the misfortune to work with like I did years ago.

 

What are some of the legitimate reasons journeyman can F with you?

"show up to work on time" and "pay attention" are two of the major ones. also, "pretend you care about our ridiculously restrictive safety regulations".

the professors who intellectually humiliate their students should be shot tho, pol pot and hitler did good.

 

Smart targets , can't have them, can we....? ~CS~

 

grill, effing, dicking, dicks who no speak good engrish, eff, sh!t instead?" f.

An education would allow you to communicate like an intelligent adult.

 

Well, maybe. Desire and self-determination play a bigger part.

 

There is nothing with education and it comes in all forms. The apprenticeship model is probably the best way to learn and gain job experience and I wish colleges and businesses would incorporate the apprenticeship model everywhere because it works.

If I had the time, patience, and money I would get a construction management degree because later in life it would be useful not to be out in field conditions all day.

 

maybe because i'm a grill, but probably mostly because i seem to be smart, people keep telling me to go to school.

who wants to go to effing school, especially in this day and age. i spent a year dicking around in stem and all university professors are arrogant dicks who no speak good engrish and can't cut me slack for Real Life Problems like running out of money or family emergencies or getting sick. journeymen will eff with you but at least they have a legitimate business need for doing so; professors just seem to enjoy the power trip.

what do i say next time someone tells me to be an EE: "please drop 30k on my lap for my college education kthanx"? "why would i want to stare at a computer screen all day when i could be doing cool and exciting dangerous sh!t instead?" further snappy comebacks much appreciated.

How dare any poster here at this forum make fun of asian peoples accents. Why the nerve !

 

these "go to college" assholes

I like that.


Troll or not I'm using that **** at some point.

 

I knew when I was being treated like **** and responded quiclkly and appropriately to the scumbag in question. It was actually pretty easy for me to figure out. I imagine it could be difficult for some.

 

When I started the apprenticeship program in 1974 most of the J-men were WWII vets who were very matter-of-fact and showed little regard for a lowly apprentice. I learned quickly to keep my mouth shut and do what I was told.

There was very little room for backtalk or complaining. I wouldn't call any of it bullying or actual mistreatment, just knowing that I was expendable. There was no HR department or thought of going to the owner/boss to complain. It all made me a better person.

I will say it was very satisfying when I finally topped out to not have to take their BS anymore. It's been a fantastic career and would do it all over again.

 

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Soon it will just roll off your shoulders. Bullying is over emphasized. I was tough to sticks and stones... Now a days kids end up with shrinks and social workers quivering in a corner. No wonder China is taking over.

 

Yeah cause in China the kids really get hit with sticks and stones.

 

This trade would do well to consider a round hole / square peg test.....~CS~

 

"yeah that's how everyone goes. my first six months i just observed and carried tools".

"yeah i didn't get anything out of that."

"you're supposed to get something out of that.

Pass me the right tool and thinking ahead what i may need next says oodles to me that your learning

 

Pass me the right tool and thinking ahead what i may need next says oodles to me that your learning

i'm genius at this, however my effing ATTENTION DEFICIT DISORDER makes it impossible to follow directions and therefore learn anything.

i've realized that the reason i'm so slow is because i'm making a herculean effort to not make stupid mistakes. my fine motor skills are probably okay.

I could understand having to watch and carry tools as an apprentice. The job exists because the work has to get done, not because you need to be trained.

i agree, and i enjoy this sort of thing, don't mind a bit. it probaby helps that i have literally no ego.

Either way, whether you learn on the job or go to school, what you make of it is what's gonna do it for you. People telling you to go to school when you clearly prefer to learn hands-on is a bit presumptuous.

i learn well by taking things apart and dicking with them for a while, never had any trouble repairing electronics. if it needs to be done i can usually figure it out.
my jman called me a mechanical moron, that can't be quite right.

I've sucked every bit of knowledge I can out of my program and what I've learned has been enormously worth the effort.

i feel the same way: no matter how much i suck i'm getting a ton out of this. my backup plan is applied math or EE and if i do get kicked out of the program i haven't wasted my time.

great post btw, thanks.

 

I could understand having to watch and carry tools as an apprentice. The job exists because the work has to get done, not because you need to be trained. The issue is, a lot of technical trades require qualified labor, hard work that you can't just have a guy who can only shovel ditches doing. Now if you've got a J-man and 1st year available to work, and a box to wire as well as conduit for it, who in their right mind is gonna have the J-man doing the conduit? Apprentices are expected to do the simpler labor required in technical trades and pick stuff up as they get the opportunity to do so. Not like employers can milk you for labor anyways, considering after long enough they're gonna have to pay you a larger cut of J-man wages.

As far as education, I think it depends. I'm all for blue collar work ethic, but you can't say white collar isn't important. Blue collar assembled America, white collar designed it. Structural and vehicle engineering come to mind as one of the most important developments behind modern America. Personally I'm glad there are people who will sit through 4+ years of fluid, thermo, static and dynamics, etc. so I don't die in a fiery car crash. Wouldn't want to do that myself...

Personally I have found my 2 year tech program extremely valuable. Don't think I could stomach any more, either, though. There are plenty of tech and pre-employment programs that I think would be likewise valuable. Seems some people do 4 year in order to get a piece of paper, dont make anything of it, then wondering how they ended up with just a piece of paper. The inflation of credentials is not at fault if you're not going to college specifically to learn something for a job one day. I've sucked every bit of knowledge I can out of my program and what I've learned has been enormously worth the effort.

Either way, whether you learn on the job or go to school, what you make of it is what's gonna do it for you. People telling you to go to school when you clearly prefer to learn hands-on is a bit presumptuous.

 

We wouldn't be having this conversation if the grads had more jobs available
:no::no::no:
~CS~

 

When you have companies that would much rather hire immigrants so they can maximize what they exploit form them what can you expect?

You have read about the worries of Silicon Valley tech companies?

They can't function with American hires. Maybe our colleges should drop the liberal indoctrination process and focus on a work related curriculum.

 

Moved to Canada from the US... I'm blown away by the apprenticeship system here. You can get apprenticeship in the US, but nothing like this. High school kids see it as a viable option right next to college and it's fully government regulated. Tech schools are subsidized and pretty affordable.

Problem with the US college system is that we've been saying "so what college are you going to?" rather than whether they're more cut out for the trades in the first place. I know growing up in the US school system, trades were never even mentioned as a consideration and this was in a rural town. Now we've got a saturation of college grads, some of whom don't even know why they went to college, tons of college debt, and a shortage of tradesmen.

 

Moved to Canada from the US... I'm blown away by the apprenticeship system here. You can get apprenticeship in the US, but nothing like this. High school kids see it as a viable option right next to college and it's fully government regulated. Tech schools are subsidized and pretty affordable.

I can believe that Rora , in fact iirc there was a national drive targeting HS counselors to include trades as a post HS option....

Problem with the US college system is that we've been saying "so what college are you going to?" rather than whether they're more cut out for the trades in the first place. I know growing up in the US school system, trades were never even mentioned as a consideration and this was in a rural town. Now we've got a saturation of college grads, some of whom don't even know why they went to college, tons of college debt, and a shortage of tradesmen.

We can't be outsourced or insourced , nor do we reciprocate as easily , and yeah my states 'licensed grads' in '16 was about 1/8th of what it was in my day

supply demand anyone?

~CS~

 

Quit talking about ADD. ADD is a common trait in the trades. If we can make it, so can you.

 

you guys keep telling me this but i am so sick and tired of being accused of not listening, as if this is something i have any control over. if i could change it i would.

i am medicating, it's getting better, i'm growing tired of the criticism tho.

i'm honestly curious as to how you guys cope, do you have to put up with nearly this much ****.

 

Or do the responsible thing and get treatment for the ADD from a professional with experience in treating ADD (i.e. Not a general practitioner but a psychiatrist).

If you break your leg, would you try to self medicate and fix it yourself? How about an infection?

The brain is no different. Get help.

 

A psychiatrist will put her on Ritalin or Adderall. I'm not here to discuss the merits of meds but I can tell you that ADD is not the inability to focus. The challenge is to eliminate the noise and focus on the right things. It can be done.

 

Read The DaVinci Method by my friend Garrett Loporto. He's one of us and much of what he says will ring true. It will change the way you think of yourself.

http://www.davincimethod.com/davinci-method.html