Ibtl

 

I would use a headway. Much easier in this situation !!

 

Just buy the forks and stop complicating it.

 

I don’t have much experience on the terminating side of things to help.

I do know that when you start to use EMT make sure you use 3/4” inch. For some reason the 1/2” inch seems to make the circuit draw more. A guy in Cali taught me that.

 

It's because it acts like a choke. Inductors will play havoc with your circuits, and are a known hazard !

 

If your using #12 stranded wire just use the 14 gauge notch on the stripper. Then it should fit the hole without the ferrule. Just strip it short so the wire doesn’t have the tendency to fold over when you are trying to push it in.

Always use black tape to wrap the plug with.

Are you going to use a fork on the green screw?

 

I want to see the rule that says side jobs don’t need to be inspected (since you want to be compliant and all that).

 

All this talk about forks is making me hungry.


Tim.

 

Let me get this straight: This dude wants to back stab devices with ferrule connectors? Excuse me while I vomit.

 

I don't think that he wants to back stab them because he mentioned using forks previously. I think that he wants to use a ferrule underneath the screw for some odd reason.



Imagine the things they'd find if one of these jobs was actually inspected?

 

My question is, for devices such as receptacles with the wire plug hole in the back, can I use wire ferrules such as these

I don't think that he wants to back stab them because he mentioned using forks previously. I think that he wants to use a ferrule underneath the screw for some odd reason.



Imagine the things they'd find if one of these jobs was actually inspected?

I'm with 99 ... backstabbin'

 

That’s what I thought he meant by the wire plug hole in the back.

I have never said it before but I will say it now:

IBTL

 

My bad, I thought you were one of the regulars trying out a new screen name to spice the place up. Don’t go by anything I said.

Not even the black tape:vs_laugh:

And I had a nice one in my head for my next response.

Oh well. Don’t get discouraged with the forum. They are looking for new guys to help drive up the posts.

 

Doesn't April fools stop at noon

 

This question cant be real and has to be an April Fools joke...…..I hope so anyway but you never know since this guy clearly isn't an electrician

 

You could try these, but that would really break the bank. Made by Hubbell. Those with som Wagos. No need for black tape.

 

I'm just disappointed that the OP didn't ask me what a headway was :sad:

 

Love all the pricks in this forum. Never stated anywhere that I was an electrician, I am learning to be one. I guess none of you ever had questions when you were apprentices and wanted advice from elders who had knowledge in the field. It was a simple question, were they compliant or not. I’m not referring to the holes like on the back of 15 amp receptacles. I was referring to the one that is on the 20 amp receptacles I use, that the same screw that is used to wrap around when using solid wire, also clamps/compresses whatever is in this hole.
I understand most of you are seasoned electricians, but folks like you who give responses like these are keeping the younger generation from getting into the trade. Thanks for the few answers that actually helped me out. All I needed to here was that the correct application for ferrules is not in the residential aspect, but to keep using the fork terminals to terminate on the screw of the receptacles.

 

I understand most of you are seasoned electricians, but folks like you who give responses like these are keeping the younger generation from getting into the trade.

We prefer to keep people like you out of the trade.

 

MTW, and why is this?

 

Because you’re unqualified. I can argue with MTW but that’s okay because we are both licensed, experienced people. You’re not.

An apprentice’s job is to work under the supervision of a journeyman. There’s no room for argument on the subject.

If you were working under a journeyman you wouldn’t be looking for internet advice.

 

Actually, this is no place for an apprentice to ask for advice on a non-permitted side job.

If you’re using devices with compression plates, why would you use ferrule terminations? Makes no sense.

You are clearly out of your element with this work and should stop. Immediately.

You’re a poor representative for the younger generation if you’re breaking rules and putting your customer (and yourself) in danger because of incompetence.

 

99cents, if anything I have said makes you think I am arguing with you I am sorry. I was merely asking a question, and was hoping for a straight forward answer. Not to be told I am incompetent, and should get out of the field just because I am asking a question. I am currently working for a large company doing mostly working on industrial electronics, while also doing side work with a licensed electrician. I have learned a lot through him, but I also like hearing others opinions on matters so I have multiple vantage points on how to view things. Sorry for asking a simple question.

 

You left the distinct impression that you were working on your own on an unpermitted side job. What do you expect when you come to a forum dedicated to qualified tradesmen and contractors? We love helping apprentices here but not those who are moonlighting “under the table”.

 

I apologize for seeming like an arrogant beginner. I’ll get off the site and ask local electricians, and instructors from my community college. Thanks for the responses, and I apologize for wasting anyone’s time.

 

I’ve got a better idea. Stop wiring up buildings until you become an electrician.

 

I guess I am working on my own on an unpermitted job site, but I do have a licensed electrician check behind me to ensure the work I am doing is in fact acceptable and safe for everyone involved.

 

Sure you do. We definitely believe that. You should ask this fictitious licensed electrician about terminating stranded wire.

 

Oh cut the kid a break, will ya? Like none of you licensed contractors ever moonlighted back in the day? :biggrin:

 

Of course we did. I started doing jobs on my own at 18 long before I had a license. But I guarantee none of us ever asked questions like the OP did.

 

Was asking if you could terminate a stranded wire really that bad of a question? I have never used one to terminate wires in anything but a control cabinet for industrial electronics, but was curious if it could be used in this application. The only way I have ever terminated a stranded wire at a receptacle or light switch before has been with a fork terminal. What is so bad about using a wire ferrule? No one has really stated why it isn’t acceptable, just said I was incompetent for asking if you could use them.

 

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You were talking about “plug in holes” which can only mean one thing - push-in connections to the device. These are a source of failure over time and, besides that, you will never push a #12 ferrule into the hole. Then you talked about compression plate terminations which are fine with stranded wire.

If you want to do side work, hang ceiling fans for grandma and leave the real electrical work for those who know what they’re doing.

 

If you can't take the razzing on here, you are going to have a hard time when I do it to your face with much more descriptive language.


Toughen up a bit and ask your journeyman.


Tim

 

Luke, if the device you want to connect to has a screw that requires the wire to be wrapped around, then no, you can't wrap a ferrule around a screw. If the device has clamping plate that accept a solid wire in a straight orientation, then by all means use a ferrule to make a stranded wire into a solid wire. That's what they are for.

 

Luke, if the device you want to connect to has a screw that requires the wire to be wrapped around, then no, you can't wrap a ferrule around a screw. If the device has clamping plate that accept a solid wire in a straight orientation, then by all means use a ferrule to make a stranded wire into a solid wire. That's what they are for.

If it has a clamping plate, why not just clamp onto the stranded wire?

 

Am I the only one here still wondering what a ferrule is and how it’s used on a device?

 

Hack, a ferrule is just a mini term like a fork, a ring, or a butt connector that gets crimped on the end of a stranded wire to make it like a solid wire. I haven't really ever used them as I think forks are easier and even then I only use those in peckerheads for the ground. On a receptacle I don't think anyone would ever use one.