Do you guys know of any kits that allow a splice to be made and concealed? I want to know incase it's ever needed.
ElectricalArtist
I would feel much better with a handybox and wirenuts than that gadget that says it's made for concealed locations.
If you do it right, you can make absolutely solid connections in a handybox without any fear of them coming apart or shorting out.
In this situation, I fold the romex sheath back over itself to double it up for the 1/2" that it sits inside of the romex connector, just for added cushion and protection. I also pay very close attention to the wires when stripping them to make sure that I don't nick the conductor. I then pre-twist the wires but I do it lightly, then screw on the wirenut.
That connection will last forever.
If you do it right, you can make absolutely solid connections in a handybox without any fear of them coming apart or shorting out.
In this situation, I fold the romex sheath back over itself to double it up for the 1/2" that it sits inside of the romex connector, just for added cushion and protection. I also pay very close attention to the wires when stripping them to make sure that I don't nick the conductor. I then pre-twist the wires but I do it lightly, then screw on the wirenut.
That connection will last forever.
Do yourself a favor and don't Goddamn do it.
Ever. Just run a new wire or splice it from an accessible spot.
Are the kits legal? Yes.
Will they make you the hero in the short term? Yes.
Can they go bad just like any other electrical connection? Yup.
The splices will never be just behind drywall. They will be behind cabinetry, in a sub floor, or behind a mirror. It will be because some homeowner or GC is too cheap to pay for a proper repair or renovation.
Early on, I was lucky enough to experience these NM splice kits first hand, in an accessible (sort of) situation, and be witness to their failure.
The company I started working for was contracted to do the final hookup (service, etc) for prefab houses. The house would arrive in 2+ pieces, and we would build the service and make all the final connections. This included connecting these splice kits in the crawl space. The kits were already installed, and we would go under the house and connect them together.
I remember going back to one of these houses in the dead of summer because some of the kitchen receptacles weren't working. Those kits were to blame. They went bad at the connection point (not where the NM connected). I had to make and extend several extra junction boxes because the original NM was only long enough to use the kit. Not fun to do in the middle of July. I don't want to think about if one of those splices was inside some random wall.
Ever. Just run a new wire or splice it from an accessible spot.
Are the kits legal? Yes.
Will they make you the hero in the short term? Yes.
Can they go bad just like any other electrical connection? Yup.
The splices will never be just behind drywall. They will be behind cabinetry, in a sub floor, or behind a mirror. It will be because some homeowner or GC is too cheap to pay for a proper repair or renovation.
Early on, I was lucky enough to experience these NM splice kits first hand, in an accessible (sort of) situation, and be witness to their failure.
The company I started working for was contracted to do the final hookup (service, etc) for prefab houses. The house would arrive in 2+ pieces, and we would build the service and make all the final connections. This included connecting these splice kits in the crawl space. The kits were already installed, and we would go under the house and connect them together.
I remember going back to one of these houses in the dead of summer because some of the kitchen receptacles weren't working. Those kits were to blame. They went bad at the connection point (not where the NM connected). I had to make and extend several extra junction boxes because the original NM was only long enough to use the kit. Not fun to do in the middle of July. I don't want to think about if one of those splices was inside some random wall.
If you use one of those, leave instructions at the panel as to where to cut the hole in the wall to find it.
No electrician with any self respect would use one.
No electrician with any self respect would use one.
If one has no other choice but to bury a splice, A soldered western union splice is probably the ideal method. Insulate with 33+, rubber splicing tape, 33+ over each individual wire, then rubber splicing tape over all 3, then 33+. Seen it done once by a guy I worked for, would put 10x the trust in that then a tyco splice.
How many electricians even know what a western union splice is ? Much less how to correctly make one?
I can say I do ! I have used them a few times when I was in the field. If done correctly they do not pull apart
I can say I do ! I have used them a few times when I was in the field. If done correctly they do not pull apart
Keep in mind those tyco splice kits are code compliant for exposed work and REPAIR of existing concealed work .
The Tap type can not be concealed as where would one damage a 3 NM cable set up ?
Article 334.40 (B)
The Tap type can not be concealed as where would one damage a 3 NM cable set up ?
Article 334.40 (B)
For those that don't have it, this gem and others are all in the American Electricians Handbook.
https://www.amazon.com/American-Ele...0993&sr=8-1&keywords=american+electricians+handbook&refinements=p_85:2470955011
https://www.amazon.com/American-Ele...0993&sr=8-1&keywords=american+electricians+handbook&refinements=p_85:2470955011
Hey guys, I work in hospitals, trying to learn DYI home improvement. So in my mother's home , the Romex is standard , it's rI'm done the Joost looks real good. Labeled 2017. Then at some point she had someone in who spliced 10 gauge romex and ran to light fixtures in certain areas of the house (by the front and rear doors, and every ceiling fan. I understand you can mix guages but should the splice go thru a box or at be taped ?
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